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DON

I have seen many big name brand manifolds crack and break on dsm's. In fact i think everyone i know with a high hp dsm has welded extra supports and welded many cracks shut on their $1000.00+ manifolds. Dnp, south florida performance, just to name a few.

I am not saying ss autochrome makes top of the line ****, but my group of friends has had nothing but good luck with their manifolds, on sr20's. I cant speak for the honda crowd though.

Also why is everyone with a fwd bolted sr20 running a cheap header, 1 it makes good power, and 2 they can buy 3 for the price of a stillen or hotshot one.

I definately wouldnt run one of their turbos, some people do but i dont recommend them at all.

There's a huge difference between an N/A header, and a turbo manifold. You don't build an N/A header the same way you need to build a turbo manifold, just due to heat alone. Just my opinion though, I'm no IE (hint hint )

IMO, eBay turbos and manifolds are out of the question. You get what you pay for, and that's the bottom line. I've seen instances personally, where eBay turbo manifolds fail time and time again. You really have to spend a lot of time making custom brackets to help support the added weight of a turbocharger.

Well I have a ? what if I could offer say a good quality log manifold and say a sc32 or sc61 with a downpipe and tial wastgate (38-40mm) for say 1,750.00 or so , I think it is cheap , for what you are getting , it is quility stuff , and for some more do a complete kit intercooler piping and fuel rail 72lb or 96lb ( depending on turbo selection ) for around 3200.00 with all fittings coupers and everthing ....

400 for manifold
400 for downpipe
700 for turbo
250 for wastegate
150 fuel rail
300 for inj. , or so
200 for BOV
600 or so for intercooler and plumbing

I know that, we have a group of 5-6 turbo'ed nissans some with turbo sr20's and some with turbo ka24's and none of us have had problems with ss autochrome manifolds. I know a thing or 2 about turbocharging an na sr20 and working on det's so you dont have to tell me there is a difference between na and turbo.

My nx has had 5 sr20's since 2000 all turbocharged with different set ups and i am working on my 6th as we speak. And by the way i am not cheap i just dont want to spend $1000.00+ on a gt series turbo(which i have 3 times) then have to spend another $1000.00 on an exhaust manifold, or an intercooler for that matter. I didnt buy an ebay turbo i bought a used ihi turbo for a great price.

Also benfenner i am not trying to start anything with you but, you kind of put your foot in your mouth when you talk about supporting the quality parts and companies in our scene and then say its ok to buy a china brand intercooler. I am not sure i am with you 100% on this, but from what i understand its ok to use ebay intercoolers because you use them or you have used them. But a china brand manifold is not ok to use because its ebay junk, and you dont like to use them or havent used them, or have seen too many pictures of them cracked online? I am just wondering if i am the only one that is getting this? Lets put it simply(from what i have read in your posts on this thread) support good companies that make expensive turbochargers and manifolds but when it comes to intercoolers supporting china is ok because i said so?

When you get older you will understand about this thing called quality. Quality of a part means no extra work on your part. If you get a manifold and you have to resurface the flanges because it got bent when they were welding, it's a huge waste of time and extra money.

You dont have to talk to me about quality. How old are you? I didnt spend 1400.00 on volk te37's because they look pretty, i also didnt put a wilwood brake set up on my car because its slow. I do alot of autocross and roadrace events with my car, i am not a kid that goes out street racing i got that out of my system when i was 16.

Calm down tiger, I'm 32.

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To explain further:

Intercoolers from Spearco, Greddy, APEXi, HKS et al range from about $600 to well above $1,000. These prices have held steady for the past 15 years or so for what amounts to an aluminum radiator. Many name brand companies (Koyo) sell similar products (aluminum radiators) at half the price of these intercoolers and manage to make enough money to continue hefty R&D and make a decent profit. If that's not a clear sign of price fixing, you tell me what is.

On top of this the Chinese intercooler manufacturers rarely copy or knock-off anyone else's design. From the beginning they started selling universal intercoolers and have gone on to expand their offerings to many sizes/shapes/dimensions almost all of which are unavailable from any other intercooler manufacturer.

I'm not against Chinese tuner products, or eBay items as a blanket rule. I'm against knock-offs because they ruin R&D.

Is it clear now?

Sorry, its hard to judge the way someones is typing to you. I think to date almost every aftermarket part i have put on has required some extra tweaking or fabrication to get it to fit right which doesnt bother me. My friends and i do all our own work, unless it requres a lazer or a lathe which i cant afford or dont have.