well i guess if i was really known or been on the forum for a long time but to me roger in west palm is cleanest red ser ive seen and i havent seen one white ser cleaner than mine but thats my opinion. Mikos car is just a rear colour but that aint clean. Clean is when your making 60 on the turn pike and a state trooper stops you just to leet you know nice ride. SE-RICAN had a nice red ser thats cleaner than that. His car was the one that turn me on to gold wheels