Thread: Battle of hp & torque

torque wins races thats it thats all

WTF Seriously guys you still don't get it do you.

Bumped from the grave I see.

Dan, I think macphee4 was trying to be funny. I think he failed.

I agree, the Ve makes a very good power band where it counts, The ve have a high torque and flat normally from vvl actuation all the the way up to about 7000 rpm's (generally) WHEN THE TUNING IS THERE, I would say the vvl comes out on top overall at the 1/4. Once the car starts experienceing drag and the longer 3rd and 4th gear the motor will be in the higher rpms for a longer period of time where the vvl is at home. in my opinion. i still respect the de though.

Lots of conflicting info in this thread. Waiting on your repsonse to my question from the other thread Ben

Ashton, I put it here because I thought that thread was more appropriate.

think of it this way...

Let's say you have two identical cars. Let's say two b13s with the exact same weight. Well both make 300whp. One of them is turbo charged and the other one is all motor. Obviously the turbo one will almost certainley make more tq but which one will be faster. It will be the all motor car. To me this shows tq mean next to nothing when it comes to 1/4 mile.....

In the typical 2300lb ser a 300whp typical t28 set up will trap in the 113-116mph area. The 300whp 2300lb car will certainly be higher, I would imagine 119-120.

Id like to hear mikos thoughts on this rediculous debate lol

cory, a 300 WHP N/A VE is quite rare as I'm sure you know. You may also know that it likely takes a good bore job to get there, if not both an increase in bore and stroke is in order. That paired with the advantage of variable valve lift and duration gives you an N/A engine with a seriously broad power curve. It is entirely possible that you could end up with more power pretty much everywhere on the N/A VE build than on a typical 300 WHP DET or DE+T turbo setup. Certainly you could have much more area under the curve where it counts.

I know my turbo setup is not typical. I make less power in the mid range and down low than most because I'm making the power with low boost (efficiency) and revs. But here's a dyno overlay I did that you might recall just to refresh your memory. Top black foreground is 303WHP T28 setup. Red background is 307 WHP N/A VE. (Bottom black foreground is 150WHP N/A DE setup.)



While I agree torque means nothing in the 1/4 mile, I will question your assumption that the N/A VE would necessarily have less "torque" or a narrower powerband. That just does not have to be the case. And if it were, that engine would lose those races instead of win them.

I think I said it well (below) in that thread. This applies to our discussion 100%:

Well I didn't specify and I should have. I meant a 300whp ve vs the typical t28@15 lbs w s4s. That should make 300/300 we know this. And the ve would be somewhere around 300/220s...

So do you agree with me atleast that w equal weight/power the na will almost always be faster?