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2015-09-28 03:42:40
With all this being said I have to tell my side of the story: For the good/bad/indifferent and honesty.

Shawn obviously stated his facts and emails etc so you have a great outlook on most of the background. I had received his car and waited till the streetsweepers came around before taking it out on the road as they use chemicals on the road here that will rust his car out within weeks. So the dates reflect that of when I found out the motor had internal problems. I stated to Shawn that I will be the one that will source all the parts for his build that he has not already purchased/supplied and Justin would be doing the install of all the parts and Jamie would be tuning. I was the one who chose the ecu as it was a collective decision between justin and I to go that route with the air to water setup and it would be better than having a MAF in the car(shawn was notified of this before it was purchased and installed). Jamie tuned the car and did a great job with it. The install looked great and I along with Shawn was very happy with the car when he came up to bring it back home during convention time. The few issues at that time were enough to turn him green (air conditioner not working and after he got into a tiny fender bender in a parking lot near the convention, no radar detector, deceleration issue that I could not replicate but was discussed with chris scarpulla that i still could not replicate, cold idle at 1800rpm normal idle at 900-950rpm) so we both came to the decision that flying him back home from the convention(which i purchased his ticket) and then flying him back when these issues were rectified would be the best solution(i purchased a one way for him from the convention and I reimbursed him for his flight back up here that he booked on august 31). I took the car back and left my truck and trailer with friends to drive back. The a/c was fixed, the radar detector was installed, the deceleration issue I could not replicate and is shown in the drivability video below. I drove this car just shy of 500 miles with not one issue other than air conditioning after Shawn drove it 500 miles without any issues.

The facts also show that there are some things I would not have done or wanted left on my car. Its obviously shown in the pictures. Having loose wires and an alarm horn hanging around is not professional. But having spark plug wires not in the holder and a fuse behind the battery that was in that location for his stereo equipment prior can be a bit nit picky. He has very valid points on a lot of things that I have and will again take blame for (even if I did not do the install as i was the one to facilitate this build). What I want people to understand is that Shawn saw all of this before he picked up the car the 2nd time(he drove the vehicle from thursday till saturday night and put over 500 miles on it and saw these issues first hand and was complimented on the car numerous times with nothing but praise and smiles on his face) but now its all of this. Being that I overseen the job and these problems made to to the customer now it is my blame that should be put on this not jamies. I had jamie do the tune, I had Justin Install everything and do all the work to the car, I sold all the parts and researched exactly what was needed for the install. Even though I did not pick up a wrench I will take blame as I oversaw(im probably repeating myself again but I need to make that clear).

Now another subject on this matter is the amount of money it cost for this build and how we are hacks for doing it the way we did. Almost 2/3 of the price were parts alone. We did not take $9000 and say hey lets party with shawns money and leave him with shit. I then took the profit and tried to rectify the issues with the a/c line he had on the vehicle by purchasing used parts since new parts are discontinued. We chose a lot of high end parts for this build (NOT THE PARTS THAT I THINK SHOULD BE ATTENDED TOO and obvious in the pictures) and they were installed properly and enough for 3000 miles of cruising/beating/all around fun driving.

Here are some of the things completed on shawns car that I feel are great modifications

Ve motor was personally tested and inspected by me then picked up and delivered by me back to our shop(knocking DE removed that was on PLAN A to be turbocharged, but plans changed)
ve motor was prepped for the complete setup front to back for a stock long block turbo setup
20v valve cover that is setup for coils from the factory was setup for spark plug wires and an 0bd1 dizzy (sorry the spark plug wires were not set in the holders properly)
370z seats were fitted and tested to shawn himself and questions were asked to see if they needed to be modified while he was here(which he felt were perfectly setup for his liking first try)
gauges installed and radio relocation along with a valentine one radar detector(radar detector was installed after the convention) that was supplied by shawn and modified by chris scarpulla
complete 3" exhaust setup made of vibrant mandrel bent material and tig welded here and fits/sounds beautiful
nissan oem gaskets all around (vet exhaust manifold gasket, nissan oem turbo gasket set, stage 8 locking washers/nuts for the turbo/manifold)
The turbo is brand new that has all a/n fittings for water lines and oil feed/return
The intercooler was brought into play so we didnt have to cut the 2 fog bumper and it had a very stealthy look/short intercooler piping for more efficient results.
The nismotronic ecu was installed along with a map sensor so it could be more driver friendly(my decision not jamies sorry to jamie and shawn on this but my opinion was to go this route, also having a map based car i felt would be less prone to the short term problems of the maf and he could drive down the road for years to come and obviously not). Jamie tuned this ecu and the video below will show the driveability, idle and all around based performance. How the car left our facility and was picked up.
AEM fuel pump install (E85 pump) just in case his fuels in Louisiana are more ethanol based than local to us I wanted to make sure he had the fuel pump to take care of that. Also a brand new oem filter sock

I can go on with this list but a lot of time was put into this car. The goods about this car are great in my opinion. The bads in the pictures (to shawn and the opinions of the community) are not good in our eyes either but some of the things are really being nit picky.

I WANT TO ADDRESS THIS DETAIL: BRASS T's are not Esthetically appeasing to the eye but work a million times better than plastic T's(this is what shawn suggested i use in that email posted along with a vacuum dist block). I agree maybe a vacuum distribution block(billet/black powdercoated etc) and Push lock vacuum lines would have looked a lot nicer in this car and cost a lot more (but he was willing to pay no argument there). BUT BRASS T's and the vacuum lines used(which will not collapse due to what material they are, if you argue this point for anything other than esthetic reasons I will have to prove you all wrong) will work properly and should not leak at all. Not the prettiest but def more than sufficient for the job. I will take blame for this even though i did not make this decision for that on the install, i did see them though, i also know shawn saw them months ago with no complaints until now).

Another detail: The lights always being on with the 3 gauges above the radio: You drove your vehicle for 3 days and nights at the convention. This was something you looked at and must have seen every time. Not a complaint until now. But sorry thats my fault for not having it done on the dimmer switch. I dont know what was explained by justin on this but there was a reason he did it that way. Ill take blame for it though.

All of these things listed in your complaint email were addressed in an email to you that i can see you did not respond to me directly. You went public. You all see the email, i will be going over the email to make sure it is exactly what I wrote as I have not read it in its entirety and compared to what I have in my files. I clearly asked and stated that: IDK what you want from me to rectify this situation, also that I may or may not agree with what you want to rectify this situation. Im still waiting to hear what it is that you want. You DROVE 2000 miles with the car. If you had this many issues why didnt you drive to the shop which was on the way home for you. It is 30 minutes south of the airport on the way home. If these issues were all this high on the demand list as you put them why did you drive 2000 miles home? Schedule is not an excuse because for someone to be in such an uproar about all this should have come back. Now I will accept these answers: 1) I dont want you people touching my car anymore 2) you guys are hacks etc i am not happy with the service 3) This is not what I wanted done to my car and your vision compared to mine is not on the same page so the hell with you im out and back to the home ranch.
Other than those I dont understand why you personally wouldnt address these issues in person. You had 4 issues after I left the convention, Now you have 15 and counting after driving 2000 miles. The car and you made it home safely from your exact words.

This is the car I delivered to the airport: https://youtu.be/YzCF7uBbMQE

Now for all of you who think I intentionally did this to make problems or make anyones life miserable etc you are very mistaken.

-I dropped the car off at the airport with a full tank of gas so they wouldnt have to worry about that on there first leg of the trip(had to get a ride back obviously)
-I had a spare key made for them at the dealr and sent in the mail so when I locked the key in the car for there arrival they would be able to get in
-Washed and detailed the car for there arrival
-drove the car back 500 miles from the convention to rectify issues that were clearly stated
-Left my Truck and trailer with friends to get this done and had shawn taken to the airport by friends in my truck while I drove back on sunday in his vehicle
-Took parts off my own vehicle that we could not find our source brand new or even used elsewhere just to complete his car properly(not what is admitted wrong by me but otherwise proper)
-The profit on the parts end was eliminated just with the flights back and forth for all who want to know, Extra was spent to cover everything else out of my pocket (My choice i did not ask shawn nor was that his fault)
-I tried to fix the a/c issue at the convention which cost over $150 after they told me it may or may not fix it (which it obviously did not fix it)
-I had a line delivered to the convention from Connecticut (500 miles) by a friend who was not sure on coming but made the trip because he knew I needed the part.
-The problem with the air conditioning which I need to confirm with justin was an electrical connection inside the high pressure line clip that would have never gotten the a/c to work without being in the proper position in the connector. Shawn told me the a/c worked the last time he used it approximately 10 months ago. We took blame for it not working and tried to fix it but it did not work. I offered to have him go to a dealer on my dime in Louisiana but he did not want that. The decision we came up with was a good one for both parties
-Had him fly in and I picked him up at the airport to bring him back to the shop and had him stay in my home.

Most if not all shops will not have this sort of treatment for customers. Most will keep it strictly business and thats the bottom line, I try to go above and beyond because I feel that our small community is not only unique but I am a part of it and enjoy most that it brings to the table. I felt as though this car would be a great project to complete on many levels and have shawn happy. That is obviously not the case. Shawn has now brought his attention towards me and making it known that its a problem with every little thing down to the water bottle he didnt see on the passenger side floor board but in the video it shows it clearly along with the fact that it was mine to drink during my drive. I bet he will have a water stain on it now. He gets recreation from hitting you with every word he types and waiting for your reaction to be an Animistic approach at him so he has you nabbed in his fire pit of doom (aka the books of shawn). Look at the response about Jamie and I being separate entities and using the marsh tuning name. For all of you questioning this it is simple: I am the sales/customer service representative as in parts sales and general technical service rep, Jamie is the Tuner and the more knowledgeable technical rep for marsh tuning. We both are under one roof and in the same house not separate. With that being said Jamie did not head this project for Marsh Tuning, I DID. Jamies involvement was for Tuning from my standpoint and that was my decision not his fault. He is willing to fix the issues at hand and being that Shawn didnt answer my email on rectifying his issues I went ahead and told Jamie that whatever he decides to do to make this right I will back him financially if he so chooses to accept my offer(meaning Jamie not shawn). As for now I feel as though whatever I do or Justin Does is never gonna be enough, It will never be trusted, it will never be able to establish a common ground or truce or rectifiable situation with Shawn (from what type of post he has written up here obviously you all can see that). Stating things as to try and split up peoples relationships in business and stating that he communicates better with my business partner than I do just means this: You are fishing for more attention from my end to blow up and act like a ridiculous person like you did by calling all of us " Motherfuckers and you would never talk to my face like this". What kind of verbal attack was that? A high school approach to get a rise out of me/justin/jamie anyone who was listening. I Dont feed into this sort of disrespectful behavior to rectify a situation, It is clearly unstable.

I spoke to shawn via email to close out any business that we had outstanding (prior to him going public) and all of the items that were left at my shop that he wanted back I had shipped to him either by my $$ or his. This transaction is completed on that end. There is nothing that needs to be given to him from Marsh Tuning and payment is completed in full from Shawn and any Refunds or reimbursements have been given to shawn and completed. Items that were left here per the instructions of shawn will go to Andrew in Canada or in the trash as far as I am concerned. I did my part on the business end and he received everything he paid for parts wise and has driven the car home(2000 miles).

Watch this video again to justify where I was coming from when I delivered the car to the airport. Find one thing wrong with this video.
I am being told that he has videos of the car running and he has sent them to jamie and a lot of videos at that. If he doesnt want to share them to save his "friends" tuner reputation then I understand. But the car left our hands and went into his possession in the same condition and driveability as the video above.

I question many things on this whole transaction but the only thing that comes to mind with every questions is this: I will always be looked at as the bad guy, the hack, the crook, the guy who took $9000 and gave him shit, the person who never should work on these cars again, the guy who just cant do anything right, etc etc etc.. I can explain myself to everyone in the same fashion in person or in a video and it will still be portrayed as something other than what it actually is. I have nothing personal against Shawn or anyone else on this forum or on facebook pages etc. I only tried my best with what I had and didnt ask for more(which was my fault) and I also didnt observe every piece that was in plain site from what is obviously stated, I also didnt observe everything underneath that I should have searched for or assumed it would have been done(my fault again and I take blame for it). But to call this car a hack job and to go as far as saying (from an OG member supposedly): " i wish I was able to take the car completely apart and redo the whole setup for you" is another idiotic statement. This car drove flawless all the way up to the point when it was delivered, it drove 2000 miles back to his home and I have yet to see videos of the car running. Since you went public I would like to see the videos so we can all determine how bad it really is and if its a mechanical/electrical or some other issue. Also when they got to the car at the airport the last thing I heard from anyone on the phone was Chris Scarpulla stating to me that he was hooking up all of his electronics? Idk what he had for that stuff if it was music componenents or gps units or laptops flux capacitors IDK. But Chris knows his se-r's and Im assuming in a very positive manner that everything he did to enjoy his 2000 mile trip was a well planned out and executed install. With all that being said I dont see Chris (OG SE-R guy) and Shawn (The perfectionist-"i dont mean that in a negative way in this statement) driving a car 2000 miles without it being mechanically sound and tuned properly. Being that 500 miles was driven for shawn prior and 500 miles for myself with witnesses and no issues whatsoever I feel as though these discrepancies may be more towards personal preference. The vehicle was shipped to us and when I drove it in the parking lot and put my foot on the clutch it would stall out(this was normal to shawn). I dont understand the mindset sometimes, one day he is fine with an 1800rpm cold idle after I explain to him that im sorry this seems to be the only problem with the idle at this time but its a turbo car and I would hope you warm this up before you drive the car(also stating that a 950rpm operating temp idle is what he has in his vehicle as well)------ then the next day after he speaks to Chris S. it turns into an irate moment of " Im not fucking driving a car that has an 1800rpm cold idle when nissan set it at 1500rpm from the factory and thats what I want or else.

This comes to my conclusion statement: Nothing will ever be right. No matter what I explain or say. I will always be wrong for not only what I admit to being incorrect or done not to the liking(but still functional for many years to come)of the owner of the vehicle. I can post up all the videos proving that what was delivered to him was the car you can physically see with your own eyes, but I'll still be wrong to all of you. So fuck it, what do I have to lose when i am losing in your eyes anyways. This forum is not why I posted this up, the people here that I consider friends and fam are. You all see the way things go when something goes wrong with any situation. Bandwagons are jumped on and shit goes sour really fast. This forum has not had this much action since 2007 when everyone jumped over from the regular sr20forum. But what sucks about all of this is the information and forward movement of the community as a whole including technology advancements/vendors involvement/passion to exceed the limits with new research and development/the actual feelings of seeing someones happiness from the feeling of owning one of these cars... Its gonna diminish and quickly. I never did any of this for the money, neither has Jamie(im speaking for his and assuming because we communicate a lot better than you Shawn)... We've done this because we own these cars too. We've (yes Im speaking about not only myself but another person aka Jamie lol) been spent tons of money, Jamie more so than myself just to find out what that next level advancement is like.. To conquer that little bit, to go from a basically turbo car community then testing every single sr2?ve thing you can to go faster and make just that 1-2 more whp naturally aspirated, it takes passion. It takes a lot of heart and like jamie has said many times: "The stomach for it" when your spending everything you got in your pockets just to be that one to help others get there too. Jamie is the yes man, he always wants to help everyone. Thats why you are getting the treatment that you are getting. You are trying to bash the name, explaining to everyone that I am an asshole and he has nothing to do with me in Marsh Tuning is like saying that Jamie is the asshole of Marsh Tuning. You Brought it to that point. It isnt gonna help anything or anyone. It doesnt make me want to help you. It doesnt mean that I want you to beg for help because your having problems, it just simply states dont give people ultimatums and 48 hour windows to come up with a solution. I had bad anxiety this year from personal things happening in my life, This was a situation that I took personally and wanted everything correct. I dont want sympathy for what I have going on, I just want people to see why I had bad anxiety over this car as I felt so proud of it. Shawn treated me like I was a child and Im sure others can attest to seeing that as well. I didnt want to tell you to go fuck yourself and say deal with it, I didnt want to say I wasnt hired to do the job so deal with your shit elsewhere.. I took it upon myself personally to make sure your car was a great car, it was clearly not to you and everyones opinionated self.

I keep talking in circles. It doesnt matter as I am the bad guy now. Ive never fucked anyone over in my life and I can swear to that. If anyone doesnt want to believe me then ask someone who knows me. I did not put your car together(my fault im sorry), I supplied the parts(my fault im sorry), Jamie tuned the car (my fault im sorry). I would have never taken this project on if I knew how to tell the future. I have learned a lot from this. I will not be taking on any projects for sr20 chassis cars that are customer/business based. Some people will think: "Great thank god he wont because turning out hacked cars like this will hopefully save these cars from shit", Others will think: "damn Mark its like that I really dont want to see you go". I will be selling parts from now on and enjoying my group of friends that I consider family in this community. Jamie will most likely continue to conquer this car game and show that he is capable of anything he sets his mind too. I truly hope that he does that. But this community will only diminish if this shit keeps happening. You can try to ruin our business name but we arent worried about that, we are people that do our best and thats all we can offer. If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask, I most likely wont be on here much anymore but my email is [email]marksr20ser@yahoo.com[/email] if you feel the need to get in contact with me as I will be glad to answer questions you may have pertaining to this issue unless I feel the need to keep them confidential for Shawn or my personal purposes (as I said I dont hate shawn).

Thanks for reading and sorry for the late response.
2015-09-28 03:54:12
and that is not a intercooler. That is a heat exchanger. I was not coating that black nor did I plan on it. Actually looks like a radiator.
2015-09-28 04:34:08
Here's the current videos of the car running like ass.


Marks close partner Jamie, that he communicates with all the time, has had copies of these for some time now.

Chris has them as well.

I'll be glad to send them directly to anyone that provides their phone number to me.

I'll go through Marks post tomorrow. On first glance, basically nothing new whatsoever.
Last edited by Shawn B on 2015-09-28 at 05-03-55.
2015-09-28 05:04:51
I see 12 videos of idling issues. I see also the cold start 1800rpm idle and the temp gauge reading at its coldest setting. I also see the idle bouncing around. If you see the video i posted it shows none of those problems.

When did these problems start happening? I know and assume with great intelligence that these problems didnt start when you were near our location because for someone to be as nit picky as you and be as close to the tuner of the vehicle as you were... To not drive to his location and have this attended too immediately doesn't make any sense. So this must have happened on the way home? Halfway, point of no return,just when you pulled in the driveway?

Jamie did tell me about idling problems. Yes he did communicate with me on this. I just never saw the videos and never asked for them until now.

Are there driving problems as in anything other than what you mentioned already? Are there videos of you driving? Is the car driving the same as in the video I just posted? Please Enlighten us

The snide remarks about communication with Jamie are still happening: Can everyone see how he tries to jab at u with the little shit to get you all pissed off. Its just childish.

And at first glance what do you mean nothing new? Speaking the truth and answering your statements is what happened.
Last edited by marksr20 on 2015-09-28 at 05-12-25.
2015-09-28 13:28:15
Mark, thank you for showing up to the discussion.
Also, thank you for acknowledging the aesthetic and functional issues with the car.

The peanut gallery does not expect you to work magic. All we expect is that you address reasonable complaints to the satisfaction of the customer, assuming the complaints are attributable to work Marsh Tuning performed (or failed to perform as the case may be). While you may not ever be able to satisfy the customer completely, that does not necessarily make you "the bad guy" if you've done what is reasonably expected of you. I see you're behind Jamie in his quest to make this right. That is a huge step in the right direction and I'm very happy to hear that. Those of us on the sidelines see Shawn as having only made one "mistake", which was trusting Marsh Tuning. Turn that "mistake" into a good decision and you will not be the bad guy.

The bandwagons that get jumped on, as you describe, only really happen after both sides have stated their case (or failed to do so as the case may be). History shows the vendors/members that get run off were treated as such when they continued to screw over the other party after things go public either by not responding, or by failing to accept things went wrong and failing to rectify the situation. If/when we do see a vendor make a honest effort to fix a bad situation, then we can finally see a hands across the community resolution.
Last edited by BenFenner on 2015-09-28 at 14-01-30.
2015-09-28 13:45:38
After reading this entire thread, it seems Mark did allot of things to help the situation. From my personal experience Mark is one of the nicest guys I have ever met. He really went out of his way to help me and I would gladly go back. I do understand Shawn ' s side of the story. When your spending that kind of money at a shop that goes above and beyond you expect things to go perfect. It looks like Mark and Jamie did everything they could to help, maybe the execution of certain details were not up to Shawn's standard as far as the installation went. I just feel like this is turning into a wild fire because you are pushing it a little too far shawn. Hopefully this will get resolved instead of you guys going back and forth. All parties mean allot to this community and everyone involved.
Last edited by sr20brian on 2015-09-28 at 13-46-41.
2015-09-28 14:07:13
Originally Posted by sr20brian
maybe the execution of certain details were not up to Shawn's standard as far as the installation went.
I wouldn't sugar coat it that far. The execution of the PCV setup is up to no one's standards.

Everyone can bounce back from this if it keeps moving in this better direction.
2015-09-28 14:27:54
(outsider looking in, here)

I'll bet that most of the cited issues aren't all as bad as the PCV setup.
I'll bet that most of the cited issues aren't all as minor as the spark plug wire holders.

As with most online disagreements, it appears that there is a lot of "fluff" to dig through to find the valid points of each person's account.
But, there do seem to be valid points for each person involved in this thing.

At this point, taking up pitchforks isn't going to do anyone any good.
Actions are being taken to fix mistakes. The severity of the mistakes, or any new issues that come to light are of little importance.

The project is past due (which affects Shawn)
The project is over budget (which the shop is taking some hits for)
The last thing that matters is how well the product is completed (which can be beneficial for both parties)

I'll probably step away from this thread until we can see how everything is handled.
2015-09-28 14:50:08
Originally Posted by marksr20

When did these problems start happening? I know and assume with great intelligence that these problems didnt start when you were near our location because for someone to be as nit picky as you and be as close to the tuner of the vehicle as you were... To not drive to his location and have this attended too immediately doesn't make any sense. So this must have happened on the way home? Halfway, point of no return,just when you pulled in the driveway?

The issues were very soon after the trip began. I noticed them when they came into my driveway for stop one. It took every ounce in me to not nitpick that car apart as Shawn was still on the fence of being happy with it, or being so pissed that he would rather just fly home and forget about it.

The things that were 'going' south would have reared their face by a shop who 'shakes down' a car. Was there a die-hard set end date for this? Even if their was, this is part of it all.

To blame him for being nit picky is funny, as you guys had released it ONCE to only have a plethora of issues, then to only have it happen again. He was PAYING YOU TO DO IT RIGHT

Originally Posted by marksr20

Here are some of the things completed on shawns car that I feel are great modifications

As a shop (we service big rigs) owner/family myself, these are S.O.P. / Normal for any shop worth their price. New OEM seals? That sort of stuff is EXPECTED at our level, not a cherry atop the pie.

AN Fittings? Why be proud of them on the turbo for feed and return lines yet use some generic plumbing store street elbows for the vacuum lines? You were building 'the' car with 'the' budget. Do they work? Sure. But that's like putting off brand tires on a track car, and saying 'well they are tires, they're not gonna blow out' I know you can't be proud of those parts. Would you have liked someone to do that to your car? Of course not. No expenses spared on the seat and exhaust (which were NICE parts of the build) yet couldn't find aluminum push lock fittings in time...so you used L.R.P (lowes racing products) instead? Heck even my LeMons car doesn't have that sort of stuff going on, and I don't even care about that car...

Originally Posted by marksr20

i did see them though, i also know shawn saw them months ago with no complaints until now).

Shawn admitted he wasn't a mechanic
Shawn admitted he couldn't do this himself

So with that known, how would be really know what's wrong until others pointed the things out? To use the 'oh he didn't notice it before hand' only makes me assume that you knew they were wrong, and either hoped he didn't see them, or wrote em off as good enough. Yikes.

Originally Posted by marksr20
Most if not all shops will not have this sort of treatment for customers.

This what GOOD shops do without question, qualm, or second thought. For you to use them as excuses (essentially) just goes to show the difference between a performance shop/business owner, and someone who does it on the side.

Just a bad situation. What sucks is that I've had a great experience buying parts from Mark and Marsch tuning...not a issue at all!

This car had the chance to be a public poster boy for the shop, and it was mishandled from top to bottom. Sure it's easy to say 'oh it won't bother us' or 'it wont' effect us' or 'this is why forums are lame' (and that's true, JGY has existed all these years somehow) but those sorts of remarks IMO are what separate professionals from the pack. This was a VET swap, with a custom exhaust, and an A2W setup...I'd hope a Nissan specialist could have done the work ya know? Yeesh.
Last edited by codyace on 2015-09-28 at 14-52-38.
2015-09-28 15:20:00
Originally Posted by SR20GTi-R

Guys who talked shit about the creation of the SR20-forum.com, who were in charge of the SR20forum.com, magically are active and "in charge" here after the old forum died.

It really is nothing magical, the only person that was in charge of old forum that is an admin here is Chris (who I don't think I've ever seen taunting the dash before), Cliff promoted him about 2-3 years ago since Chris had admin skills. I was promoted to admin by Cliff when Cliff was getting out of the game in 2014ish.

Ben and Ny5peed were elected to be a moderators by the forum via public vote in 2013. With Cliff gone I really needed someone with more programming knowledge to admin the forum, I asked the moderators on who would be interested in being an admin too, only one person stepped up. This is how Ben became an admin.

As you can see no conspiracy involved, at least since I've been a mod.

Originally Posted by SR20GTi-R

Guys like Miko banned in the past, for no reason known to the general public.
Ban me, post it on the FB board, submit it to the nightly news. This place is a fucking joke, governed by individuals who believe JIM wolf pop chargers are the best SR mod to date.

SR20-Forum.com- "where SR20 knowledge gets you banned and a well versed vernacular puts you in a position of power."

I understand that a lot of OG's are frustrated with "stupid" people/posts. As new less skilled members roll same exact questions are always asked. For some reason people have a hard time with this on this forum. On other car forums, people are much nicer to new people and help them along even though it's the same question asked for the 50th time.

Some of the problems that you stated can only be fixed with censorship (by not allowing newbs to ever question OG's basically). Irony is that's what you were just ranting against. This is really a catch 22 situation, damned if you don't and damned if you do. I personally think we all just need to get off our high horses and welcome new people and help them with their redundant questions in a polite manner.

I'm also very anti-censorship, I am also very anti-banning people unless all other options have been exhausted, and have never banned anyone just because I disagreed with them. I cannot speak the same of the previous administration though, for that I'm sorry on behalf of the forum.
Last edited by Vadim on 2015-09-28 at 17-52-08.
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