Thread: Marsh Tuning and Morfius Performance

What about your sister? Any pics?

C

I run a large transportation shop as well and I agree. My shop would have never put out work like this. I may not have done the work, but I am responsible for the work that leaves the shop. This isn't good work. There are several things wrong looking at the pics, down to the poor solder joint on the A/C clutch wire.

Saying that, I have done several transactions with March tuning and never had an issue. Mark has always taken care of my parts needs and answering a shit load of questions.

Wow! Just......wow.

How can a gasoline engine operate at an 8:1 mixture? The car would not be able to physically move.

Even at 10:1 the car at a low RPM would completely fall on its face.

I understand the point you are getting across, and as explained in our phone conversation, the conditions you describe are totally different than when Shawn and I took our drive.

A physically failure or issue with management/sensors and or ECU core is likely. We are dealing with 20+ year old hardware here, let's be realistic. This is not rocket science, I've done more tuning/building/development on this platform than anyone in this thread. Most of the guys in this thread I've tuned, Mark S., you Chris (on multiple occasions) Joe S., the list is a mile long. How do these cars drive/perform? Why would less "effort" go into Shawns? Shawn is a friend, who is very particular. Things like part throttle and idle are KEY for him. The first thing he described was how he did not need to blip the throttle coming to a stop anymore and the smooth transition into boost etc.

If the car has a tuning issue, regardless of when it started, lets fix it. Starting with the possibility of hardware issues and a remote tuning/log session. When we talk about tuning and the performance of this car, Please go into a discussion with an open brain as opposed to emotion.

That's the key point right there.

And you can bet Shawn and I were racking our brains for 2,000 miles trying to square the fact that we both know you can tune, yet the car (at the time we were driving it) was FAR from tuned properly. Anybody would have said so.

The wideband read 10:1 under anything above 20% (or above light load to say it another way). Was the actual AFR 10:1? I have no way of knowing.

I also meant to address the off throttle performance, but neglected to in my previous posts. Merliss and I had a nice conversation a day or two before I flew to Connecticut, and he explained to me that there was a bit of an issue on decel, but you could 'drive around it'. When I proposed that it may have something to do with fuel cut on decel, he didn't know if that was it or not. Which is fine. He's not the tuner. He just wanted to make me aware of it, and give me a heads up, since Shawn had mentioned that the car stumbled on decel. We both agreed that the first time you drive one of these cars boosted, it takes a little fine tuning to get your brain and right foot in sync with the turbo. Again, no problem. I told Mark that I'd talk Shawn down from the ledge on the issue, and all would be fine.

And Jamie, you and I talked after the trip, and I explained to you that my original thought about the car not going into fuel cut on decel seemed to be correct. Although you said it is implemented in the tune, for some reason it's not happening. It's simple enough to observe: within a few seconds of taking your foot off the gas (in gear), as the car begins to coast down, the wideband should go lean and then full lean (three dashes on the AEM), since the injectors are shut off. Once the car slows down enough to put a load on the engine, the injectors turn back on, so the car doesn't stall. I know this is tuning 101, and you're well versed on the topic, I'm only explaining it here for others, and to make a point.

I hope your thought about something having physically changed or broken is true, and that it's an easy fix.

Also, thanks for taking the time to talk the situation through with me on the phone, it means a lot to me, and if there's anything I can do to help, I'm happy to pitch in.

Shawn is my friend, and so are you. I just want to see him made whole here. His spirit was crushed on the trip down south. We went into this thing hoping to have a happy little road trip / adventure, and instead just kept asking each other "how the hell did this happen".

I also disagree with the comment on the post "changing the community's view of Marsh Tuning".

I think it will open their eyes to the pieces of the transactions and the inner working pieces, but not the "view" of what the name represents.

What changes? People not coming to me for tuning? Not coming to me for advise? Won't happen.

I am here to help people, mainly friends in the community. This is not a money making thing, it's a moral thing. I could have easily washed my hands and moved forward having NO financial gains in the transaction, but I did not for multiple reasons.

Does not matter what "view" is perceived based on the input from others. Shawn is not happy and my focus is helping him get where he wants to be. We talked more in the last month than we have in the last year, I'm sure it will work itself out without the input of anyone else.

I have nothing but respect for you Chris, this is just me speaking openly.

I am so sorry to hear about this, Shawn. I hope this gets squared away soon and your car is once again what you are looking for. The most telling thing to me in all that has been written is on two occasions in their replies to you and then once more in this thread was that you asked them for something unrealistic - An OEM-like boosted VE car. So they did the best they could to meet an unrealistic goal. This to me is the crux of the problem. If you asked them for something unrealistic, they should have told you that up front. Period. What you're asking is not possible. Now, I have no clue if it is or not, but clearly the shop felt they could not achieve what you asked. I have never met you, Shawn, nor have I worked on your car or done business with you. But I have read your threads. If you had asked me to do work on your car, and had just dropped it off saying "put a turbo on it" and said nothing more, based on your threads I would have known what your expectations would be with regards to the finished product. No further explanation necessary. Not that I could do any of it, but your reputation and demands are crystal clear. And anybody who takes your car should know that too. Best of luck and I look forward to reading about your fantastic turbo'd VE soon!

Disagree entirely. Shawn's reference to OEM or OEM+ is in terms of functionality and operation. Something that is easy achievable with the litany of parts and tuning solutions made available to use mere mortals............even more show a shop which has experience in building exactly what Shawn requested (or well, so we thought!!!!!)

"They" produced an extremely subpar product at best. A product that does not represent the true value of what Shawn spent, the quality of parts purchased and the "simplicity" of the build.

A fire breathing 4wd, 800 AWHP B13 with a full cage that runs down GT1 Corvettes and runs low 8s with AC, power steering, power windows and kitchen maid handing out tickle me blowjobs is one thing.

A setup which is readily available from Nissan HQ (Sr20VET or similar) is an entirely achievable feat.

Simply put, with a seemingly unlimited (10K is unlimited in terms of B chassis owners in retrospect) budget and time, this is utter shit!

Maybe is best to advice your entourage/fan girls to throttle back on trying to "defend" you, when in reality are making u look worse.
Just my 0.02 and I really hope both parties reach an agreement.


Omar

I don't think I was clear. It is apparent from their responses that they didn't think it was possible to achieve both goals. I am not in a position to evaluate the feasibility of the work because I'm a very novice mechanic, but based on builds I have seen on here, it seems very possible. BUT, since the shop didn't think they could pull it off, they should NOT have accepted the work. Shawn could then take it to someone who would be able to do it. I agree with you completely.