Thread: buyers BEWARE of (Storm88000) aka jordan white

Seriously?

1- I wouldn't buy anything with only one pic and no description.
2- If I was dumb enough to do that without asking for more info it's 100% MY FAULT.

How does thinking a buyer has responsibility (due diligence) in any given transaction makes me "shady"? C'mon.

I can't change the way you feel about this but I had to let everybody know everything that we talked about because he was clearly lying from the get go and accusing me of things that never took place... reading all this evidence is part of your job description as a mod, isn't it??


also if you Would've erased all the comments that were irrelevant to this thread it wouldn't have gotten cluttered up...

This thread in a nutshell...

-Buyer agreed to pay $478 for a used header without properly determining it's condition
-Buyer receives header in used condition which he wasn't happy with
-Buyer blames seller for not giving info that wasn't asked for
-Buyer believes header was damaged in shipping
-Buyer learns that it looked that way before it was shipped
-Buyer now punching himself in the balls for lack of due diligence

DEFINITION OF 'DUE DILIGENCE - DD'
1. An investigation or audit of a potential investment. Due diligence serves to confirm all material facts in regards to a sale.
2. Generally, due diligence refers to the care a reasonable person should take before entering into an agreement or a transaction with another party.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/duediligence.asp

This thread just went....

Hi guys, my brother/lawyer said it's ok to post this. He read the entire thread I sent him. I did receive a few odd phone calls in the last 24 hours, a bunch of hang-ups and one with only "breathing" is the only way I can put it. A bunch were blocked, but one came thru from a location in Ontario, CA, and since I have lots of lawyers in the immediate family (why I decided to go to law school) they took care of it and called the local magistrate. We can't prove it came from OP but to be safe I changed my phone number so those of you I know if you tried to message me it probably didn't go thru (well I know it didn't). However what are the odds its from that area? I guess it's possible but who/why now? No idea. I haven't gotten prank calls in years. Anyways..

I can tell you again that when I left the UPS store the package was open and I paid the same fee that I was quoted for minus the price of the box since it was purchased the day before when I had brought the header in alone. I had to tape it to get it into the "shape" of a box to put the header in. If I didn't I would have to drive to the place with the header on my lap, there was no room as I have tons of music equipment in my car. I suppose it IS my fault for not verifying what I was paying for. However, check the emails I posted, OP refused to pay anymore than a certain amount, which is why it cost *ME* $24 to ship it to him.

I sent OP all the photos I've posted in this thread BEFORE he bought it via texts and emails I believe. To OP's credit I don't see any of our conversations as being edited, however there is a lot of them that simply weren't posted. Regardless, thanks @ SE-RMonkey for pointing out the 2 dents may have already been there, I didn't really notice. I think UPS didn't care to cover it because frankly, it wasn't that bad. As I told the UPS rep on the phone, it's metal piping, and it's hard to damage that unless it's REALLY throw around. The condition of the box when it arrived to OP was unacceptable, and the UPS rep agreed. She said that may have been why it was "lost" for 2 days and it said the TO: address on the box was illegible, even though the UPS store took it down, printed it on a sticker, and I supposed stuck it on the box somewhere. That was my first suspicion and I even got the UPS rep to somewhat agree with me.

And yes, I offered OP a full refund if he shipped it back, but he wanted all the shipping fees too. What's ironic is I NEVER WANTED TO SHIP IT in the first place, you can even see me where I wrote that. I had other local members who wanted to come pick it up face to face, that would have been great, and it's how I prefer to sell expensive things because the person can see it before they buy it, and there's no secrets. When it's not possible to do that I try to tell the buyer everything I know. I told OP that the header was in "pretty good shape, had seen better days" - but it was all functional and all there, and I was asking $350 for it when a similar one goes for $895 on G-Spec.com brand new. You can even see that I told the OP "if he wanted a perfect header he should have bought a brand new one" - and I still stand by that. No where did I infer the header was in mint condition. OP did not imply this was going on some kind of "show" car - that's what he's inferring, as those 2 little "dents" on the top of the secondary would never been seen when installed on the car, and quite frankly I didn't even notice them until @SE-RMonkey circled them in my picture that I took when the header was first removed. Oh well I just thought I'd post what was going on.

The header from Gspec and this goofball JMR header are not the same thing, not even the same league. Please stop referencing that, it makes no sense and adds nothing...

I also would have been super pissed about the bottom being fixed the way it was. Bush league stuff. But, I remembered that happening from the countless diatribes I/we have read about Storm88000 car.

@91sentragti-r,

I do feel for you. You paid almost $500 for a header that is not as you thought it was supposed to be. I'd be pissed too! You erred when you decided not to get detailed photos of the header before purchase. You have admitted that, so good on you. Trust nobody should be your mew motto.

In regards to arguing and fighting with the other members, I wouldn't bother. It does nothing positive for your position and only adds weight of more stress to your shoulders. This is not a command but merely a suggestion. You have provided your evidence and depsite your error, it does appear that you were sold a damaged header without your knowledge (unless Jordan can prove he texted/emailed those pics prior to purchase). As mentioned by other members (and as evidenced by the posted pictures), the header was damaged prior to purchase, save for maybe some additional scratches or dings which can not be quantified. This does not look good on Storm88000. Not wrapping the header in bubble and/or foam wrap also does not look good on the seller.

It also appears (from the posted texts) that you did not threaten Jordan in any way so that appears to be a mute point at this time. I wouldn't even bother responding on this further.

At the end of the day, what do you now hope to get out of this thread? It appears that Storm88000 has shut down and is not willing to deal in any way shape or form. I can also tell you that judging from his many posts on this forum and from his many altercations (with various members) on this forum, that he does not respond well to stress and has overreacted to a few harmless situations on here. I have no doubt that he is a genuine guy and that his heart is in the right place but that doesn't change the current state of the situation, unfortunately. I believe the moment you made this thread, Storm became defensive to a point that he would no longer be willing to deal. I hope I am wrong in this regard.

You have presented evidence that Storm88000 does not appear to want to refute at this time. If your goal was to show a negative transaction with him, I believe you have done so and the membership will judge the evidence as they see fit. You can not force people to side with you, no matter how hard you try. Some will, some wont. Also people usually (although certainly not always) tend to judge others based upon any relevant experiences they have had with the person in question. Having said that, trying to convince friends of his or members that have nothing but good experiences with him, that he should bot be trusted, may be a futile effort. People will judge as they see fit.

Something that I find disconcerting is the fact that the seller has apparently been dishonest with the membership here on atleast a couple of occasions. Firstly, he told you to fraudently claim that there was packing in the box, when dealing with UPS during the claims process. He told you that the box was sealed prior to dropping it off for shipping and as such, UPS would have no idea how it was packed. Then in this thread, he claimed that he left the box open and that UPS sealed/taped the box. The evidence here is illuminating to say the least. Secondly, he claims to have sent you pictures of the header (with damage visible, although not verbally disclosed), prior to purchase. You said he did not and he can not or is not willing to provide evidence to the contrary. Maybe he deleted the texts by accident, maybe his phone auto-cleans his text message weekly (possible) or maybe he never sent them. Unfortunately for him, in this day and age, if you make a substantial "digital claim" without said digital evidence, you claim is null and void. Point again for you. If you notice, the members who are arguing with you are not arguing these facts, the only fact they are arguing is that you purchased something without having full disclosure. So, all of this now becomes mute. His apparent dishonestly or lack of being forthright about the state of the header has not as of yet been disproven. You have admitted that you made an error in judgemnet by not getting all of the details before purchase so I far as I am concerned, those points have been settled...

I am not trying to minimize your situation nor am I trying to dissuade you from doing as you see fit. I am however trying to bring you some sort of clarity in the form of an outside and hopefully neutral perspective. As I said prior, if I were you, I'd be pissed at Storm88000 for not dealing with this as the stand-up member and man that he claims to be. I'd also be pissed at myself for entering into this transcation without full disclosure. Lesson learned I gather.

What do you now hope to get out of this? Your best bet would be to go throught whatever claims processes you see fit (paypal) and hope for the best possible outcome. I wish both of you the best of luck in finding a resolution and ridding yourselves of this unnecessary stress. The cheapest option for you is probably your best option unless Storm88000 is willing to deal again at some point in the very near future.

At the very least, you made this thread to prove a point and if you feel you have proven that point, you have done your job as best you can. I say this with the understanding that you have limited control over whether or not the seller is actually willing to work with you. I also say this with the knowledge that the forum here has limited powers of persuasion. They can not demand that Storm88000 do anything specific. They can only ban him here and peddle influence in his banning on other forums (if they see fit). I believe this thread has been eye-opening for some and maybe just re-inforcing for others.

Finally, just to be clear, I do not necessarily think this thread is an indictment of you or of @Storm88000 but appears more to be a situation where due diligence was not given the respect it deserved and the traits of being completely honest and forthright were not shown to have been at the forefront during the transaction process. Hopefully for both parties the representation I have given is merely situational and not habitual.

Best of luck to both parites. Hopefully the unnecessary clutter that is so prevelent in this thread will now cease to exist. Hopefully my post is not seen as an addition to the unnecessary clutter that I have just eluded to. :>

Well 4-1 designs are never cheap. $700 brand new in 2011, and I'm sure another $80+ to ship it if they had a merchant account. It fared well on a bolt-on VE motor and put down some good numbers.

Jordan you never did send me any pictures, please provide the proof in which it shows you did, Please!!!

He sure as hell did. He just didn't post those exchanges. And he also didn't post any of the times I sent him photos of the manifold. Convenient huh?