Thread: buyers BEWARE of (Storm88000) aka jordan white

Yes, the forum staff can see the edit history.

Edit: Long answer for @Kyle.

For a very long time, possibly even since the forum started, edit history was viewable to forum staff. This does not include edits that are made to a post within ~60 seconds of creating the post. Those edits are not recorded (and it doesn't put the edit label on the post). This 60-second grace period was removed around the time STRATTON was banned (around 2 years ago?). The grace period going away was something I disliked. About a year ago when vBulletin was updated this 60-second grace period returned.

This is possibly why you were told edit history can't be seen... It might have been in reference to this small 60-second window? Otherwise, it does sound like you were misinformed. Sorry.

I'm so glad you guys can, because clearly he didn't post the physical description of the item..

So, the relevant points are:

1. Was the header damaged before the sale?
2. Was that damage disclosed?
3. Was it further damaged in shipping?
4. Was it packaged properly?
   

As you've found out, UPS will deny a claim if the item wasn't packaged correctly.

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I think this should serve us as an example, as to Why we should enforce A physical description when posting a for sale ad..

1) If he didn't post the actual physical description did you assume it was in perfect physical condition?
2) If the physical condition of a used exhaust manifold is important to you why would you buy one without a physical description?
3) What's the damage?
4) Is it usable or is it damaged to the point that it can not be used?

Fixed.

Shipping insurance is a total scam.

OT, users can view there own edits and revert back to it was before also iirc.

1) If he didn't post the actual physical description did you assume it was in perfect physical condition?
2) If the physical condition of a used exhaust manifold is important to you why would you buy one without a physical description?
3) What's the damage?
4) Is it usable or is it damaged to the point that it can not be used?[/QUOTE]


my answer to your first two questions has already been answered in my original post, but I will answer them again for you..1. Yes I assumed that it was in good condition for multiple reasons, number one if you are selling an item that you clearly know it has an imperfection or flaws, why wouldn't you as an honest individual post that up under physical description?? number 2 he's has a good trader rating, so I didn't think that he would ever rip off anybody.. I then thought to myself, Jordan seems like a good individual, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and I'll assume that nothing is wrong with it.. if there was I'm sure that he will include it in the description...

question number 3. first and foremost, you could see the damage from the pictures from the link I and Kyle posted.. something along the lines of being crushed by a tow truck.. how can you miss that on a physical description?? the other damages consists of dents and dings on some of the runners from it not being packaged correctly...

question number 4. the header is still usable but not to my liking, especially for how much I paid for it including the shipping costs..

the reason why I asked for a partial refund and was willing to accept it as is was because I have a fabricator that would be willing to fix it so I wanted to use that money towards it getting fixed..

I'll do my best to answer-

1) I told him while it was $700 header, it was also on my car for 4 years and not perfect. I said it had the normal wear and tear when we spoke about it. The photos he sent me of the header when got it look like it got 1or 2 dings in the shipping process, and even though it would make no difference in its functioning, he threw shit fit. If the thing arrived broken in half, sure, but sending a header from PA to CA is a long trek. I sent it with the box THE UPS store put the thing in, and THEY sent it to him. They also lost it for 2 days, and I saw pictures of the box, it looked like it had been thrown off a 2nd floor window. Unacceptable what they did to that, and since that company is creeps and I had purchased $350.00 in insurance, they still wouldn't cover it, so he came after me. I'm never using UPS again FWIW, horrible customer service.

3) From photo he sent me there are like 2 very minor dings here or there.

4) Not at all, it is 100 percent functional. All in one piece. I can't understand someone getting THIS picky over a 4 year old header that was installed on my car the entire time. And he saw the photos of it before I sent it. It sucks what UPS did or didn't do, and I feel bad for him a little bit, but all his threats made me say the hell with this guy.

Also: I never wanted to ship this thing. I remember in the ad from the start I said I wanted local pickup. Tld him from the start, I had 2 local buyers who wanted to just come pick this up. He insisted he wanted it (I assume b/c they are no longer made) and finally I was like "ok fine if you want it but since its a 4-1 one piece design it's going to cost a lot to ship" - I went to the UPS store and they wanted $134 or something. I texted him and he said that's too much and to try FedEx. So I leave the store. He then texts me back 20 min later and goes "ok you can ship it UPS i'll pay" and I informed him I had already left the store. That's when he started losing it. "Are you really going to send it?" "Are you jerking me around?" And I said "NO, you said not to ship it with UPS and I left the store".

Also I paid $24.00 of my own money to ship the thing since he didn't send me enough. Another funny thing is I sent him a photo of the receipt from UPS when I went back the next to ship it. It said 17lbs of 99lbs or something on it, and he immediately wrote back "WHY DOES IT SAY IT WEIGHS 99 POUNDS JORDAN????" - implying that I had somehow devised some kind of scam to make him have to pay extra for shipping so I could pocket the difference. I am still stunned at that. I said to him "if I was trying to scam people I'm sure I could think of something better than scamming them at the UPS store" and he's like "whatever Jordan!!"

All this guy needed to be was a nice guy. That's it. When he first paypaled me he told me there was "no rush" so I said OK and was busy shipping out other parts. Then 2 days later he goes "ARE YOU GOING TO SHIP THIS OR WHAT????" And I said yeah of course I am, but I thought you said there wasn't a rush so I was shipping out other things. He's like "WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PULL JORDAN" or something like that, and I was thinking to myself "oh here we go" - I was a text away from telling him I was refunding his money and not going to send it, but he almost every 2 hours he'd ask about it. I sure wish I had. He has been threatening to "expose me" and to "ruin my reputation" on here etc since the day he accused me of ripping him off at the UPS store, when in fact I lost money in the shipping. So after about 2 weeks of this, yesterday I just said "dude, do whatever you want, I don't care anymore". He's like "I am going to expose you for the scam artist that you are!" (LOL) All he had to do was be polite and be like "hey I'm not real happy with it, I know UPS lost the package and threw it around, but would you mind maybe chipping in some of the money for it?" And I would have said "sure man I understand, no problem" instead he, well you know.

Oh and another thing, NO ONE from UPS *ever* contacted me. I had to contact them. He also told me that he called UPS and they told him that that "emailed me a response" - never got it. I know he doesn't believe me, but oh well.

my answer to your first two questions has already been answered in my original post, but I will answer them again for you..1. Yes I assumed that it was in good condition for multiple reasons, number one if you are selling an item that you clearly know it has an imperfection or flaws, why wouldn't you as an honest individual post that up under physical description?? number 2 he's has a good trader rating, so I didn't think that he would ever rip off anybody.. I then thought to myself, Jordan seems like a good individual, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and I'll assume that nothing is wrong with it.. if there was I'm sure that he will include it in the description...

question number 3. first and foremost, you could see the damage from the pictures from the link I and Kyle posted.. something along the lines of being crushed by a tow truck.. how can you miss that on a physical description?? the other damages consists of dents and dings on some of the runners from it not being packaged correctly...

question number 4. the header is still usable but not to my liking, especially for how much I paid for it including the shipping costs..

the reason why I asked for a partial refund and was willing to accept it as is was because I have a fabricator that would be willing to fix it so I wanted to use that money towards it getting fixed..[/QUOTE]




Okay, so you assumed it was in good physical even though there was no mention of it's condition? You didn't ask either, you assumed? It then shows up "not perfect" or "not to your liking". So how on earth do you equate that with Jordan ripping you off? I'd be pissed at myself for not asking.