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2010-08-13 14:46:01
#61
Originally Posted by Cliff
Bottom line everyone wants to know (Forum's moderatorship and administrators, as well as contributors and visitors alike) is this:

What are you, OEM, doing to rectify this situation at present? Are you still hellbent on no longer dealing with the customer that posed a VALID complaint? Or are you just going to pull the wool over your eyes and say "it's only one out of 100, he can get bent"?

If you're not willing to eat shipping/"re-stocking" fees since it CLEARLY didn't fit, then what?


Cliff, as stated before I have been working with the customer to make this fit. He has received the new parts and I am awaiting a phone call from him. If he does not want the system anymore, he can send it back. IF the sytem fits in the jig when we get it back then he will be charged the restocking fee, if not then he will be reimbursed the full amount. My whole goal here was to help FuelCutOff out.

I would just like to say though, you guys need to understand we are not a huge company. Its brian and myself. We have many other customers to deal with, not saying we put people off but sometimes it takes a day or two to get back to all the e-mails. WE do apologize if the delay is to long between e-mails.
2010-08-13 14:47:51
#62
honestlty...who has EVER bought a ''BOLT ON'' exhaust and NOT had to tweak/modify/cut and reweld/flare/flange to make it work.......i hate doing exhaust to begin with.........because of that...they are all differnt.no matter what.
2010-08-13 14:50:58
#63
Originally Posted by Overkill
He has always been delt with very professionally.


Any company stating he's being dealt with 'very professionally' while telling them "If you dont like what we've done here, gtfo" is really really sketchy. At no point should you EVER say you dont want their business because you are effectivly stating to anyone EVER who has has fitment issues with a 'made to order part' who is in their own heart identifying with fuelcutoff to basically "hit the road we dont want your business".

In the end guys I really REALLY want to see oem around and dont want this to be the breaking point for this forum supporter. We understand you have other cash cows for your business, but I appreciate your guys' efforts, I do just think you need to have a bit more of a customer service attitude to get your small operation there off the ground. This is a very supportive community when someone treats us right, and I believe you guys can do much for the community in years to come. Please resolve this issue so we can put it behind us and get back to better days.
2010-08-13 14:52:00
#64
Originally Posted by Overkill
Cliff, as stated before I have been working with the customer to make this fit. He has received the new parts and I am awaiting a phone call from him. If he does not want the system anymore, he can send it back. IF the sytem fits in the jig when we get it back then he will be charged the restocking fee, if not then he will be reimbursed the full amount. My whole goal here was to help FuelCutOff out.

I would just like to say though, you guys need to understand we are not a huge company. Its brian and myself. We have many other customers to deal with, not saying we put people off but sometimes it takes a day or two to get back to all the e-mails. WE do apologize if the delay is to long between e-mails.


This is polar opposite of what was said just over a hour ago by Bluebomber. Mark sounds like you have your head on straight.

What says your jig isn't wrong? I know you fit it up off of 1 car, but what says that isn't off/wrong?
2010-08-13 14:55:35
#65
Originally Posted by canx2k
Just a note - because fuelcutoff wants a refund, it's paypal that requires him to send back the exhaust, not overkill.

That doesn't explain the 30% restocking fee, which makes me scratch my head because I am a small ebay business and every single time paypal has taken the side of the buyer when something goes south (usually because of the shipping company) paypal gives a full refund upon my own reciept of the defective product.

To me, even one red flag on my record shows SO poorly on my ebay profile, no longer that shiney 100% you know? I believe OEM needs to realise that if they are spending all that money on 5 engineers and a million dollars in cnc machines, that reputation is a huge part of how they are going to pay back the loans and pay those salaries right? I mean, let's face it, squeezing a few pennies (in this case $500) isn't going to make or break your business guys; If anything this 'time you spend eating and going to the bathroom ' costs you just as much in a day (if you do in fact have 5 true engineers working for you) than it would have been to take the restocking fee and shipping.

I will say this however, the adequate response to this coming from a guy who has managed a number of retail stores is this.

1) Agree with the customer on item X, it shouldn't have fitted/worked/didnt work the way it did
2) Using nice cheap words you say this: I understand your frustration, I have person XXX looking after that product X right now as we speak
3) Your new product X will be done by the end of the day, sent with extra fast shipping so we get you on the road as quickly as possible, you will receive the tracking number first thing in the morning.
4) All we ask that you purchase it on your credit card while the item is in transit until we recieve the defective unit, since every computer company does it this way, xbox does it this way, etc. This is not too much to ask. If the customer makes a scene, THATS when you stick to your guns on your replacement policy.

Restocking fees should NEVER exceed 15% on something, especially on something you the company screwed up, not the end user. If you have to, say that you're already totally committed to the customers satisfaction, ask for their patience as you iron out the kinks in mfg BECAUSE you're a small business, and calm them down by offering them a free powdercoat, or 15% off their next purchase, whatever it is that would make them happy, other than a refund because you'd rather see this fixed for future customers rather than returning it and risk having someone else with the same problem. That way you're quasi-partnering with them and making them feel important.

This will ensure your customer satisfaction, and let's face it guys, you can easily with your rediculously delicious creative brains of yours - find something you can make out of the old exhaust f up.

The thing is, a company has to be totally proactive on this stuff. If you have a policy in place, like on a disclaimer page on your website, you can alleviate a lot of these types of issues. Have like 4 seperate drafts made up so you don't have to spend the time doing this with EVERY single customer right? One for returns, one for defective products, one for warranty, and one for polite 'sorry we dont do that because you're being unreasonable', only to be pulled out when all else fails, and keep a record of it all so that you can be blameless when things like this DO come to the top.


Every business is different. To us, if we wanted to charge 90% restocking fee we could. Please understand this is not a negotiable policy. We charge that so that it covers our time and supplies. In your e-bay business its different. Alot of custom car companies dont even off return.

He has always had the option to return the system.

With that being said, I do not appreciate the way FuelCutOff handled this. The customer is always right in my book, but never should there be rude misleading post especially when we are assisting him with options and sending out new parts. One thing that myself will not deal with is a rude person, business or non business.
2010-08-13 14:58:55
#66
Who the hell is NAMEREMOVED and why has his name come up? If NAMEREMOVED is FuelCutOff, then you have a serious privacy hole you need to plug in your business right now. I don't expect my personal information to be leaked from a business I purchase from.
2010-08-13 14:59:14
#67
Originally Posted by wnwright
This is polar opposite of what was said just over a hour ago by Bluebomber. Mark sounds like you have your head on straight.

What says your jig isn't wrong? I know you fit it up off of 1 car, but what says that isn't off/wrong?


Many sales with no complaints. I have personally installed 3 systems with no issues. When we installed them some tweaking needed to be done but nothing like re welding.

Mark
2010-08-13 15:00:13
#68
Originally Posted by BenFenner
Who the hell is NAMEREMOVED and why has his name come up? If NAMEREMOVED is FuelCutOff, then you have a serious privacy hole you need to plug in your business right now. I don't expect my personal information to be leaked from a business I purchase from.


Yes this is correct.
2010-08-13 15:00:46
#69
Originally Posted by bluebomber
Good point. We are dont with this as well.
Fuel, either send back the system or continue to work with us to get it right.
This is our only offer.


Thanks for your offer.

Will you PLEASE accept the exhaust back and refund my money 100% without any restocking or shipping fees both ways? I will send you everything you sent me including both midpipes. If it helps, we can split the shipping costs from me sending it back.

I'd also appreciate it greatly if you would also return the CAI I purchased along with the catback. I understand you don't have to and this was not a point of concern. I did not try to install it and will not be installing it but I can only assume that it may also have issues. Dealing with the catback gave me a sour taste so I'm not inclined to repeat this process for the intake and scuff it up if it doesn't fit.

Also, I do have to say this. I honestly tried to support you guys especially being a small shop and I'm not some deranged customer with unrealistic expectations. I am anal about parts fitting right though. I'm sorry for these troubles, but I felt like it was my only available action considering the circumstances and that my car is still sitting idle going up to 5 weeks now this week. I did feel that I was not being properly communicated with and I had to continuously initiate contact to get replies. It was my expectation (fair or not based on opinion) that a customer who paid for parts that didn't fit should get immediate help or at least get some form of compensation or a full refund.
2010-08-13 15:04:52
#70
Originally Posted by Overkill
Many sales with no complaints. I have personally installed 3 systems with no issues. When we installed them some tweaking needed to be done but nothing like re welding.

Mark


Then this situation is very odd that it doesn't fit.
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