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2010-12-17 17:25:08
#171
Joe, you mean to tell me you don't recommend using plastic zip-ties to hold header wrap on?
2010-12-17 17:27:52
#172
Originally Posted by happynole
Jeff said he thought the control arm itself was a nice sturdy piece, but he was "not comfortable" with the design of the heim joint. He would have felt better if it was 3/4" instead of 1/2', but he also said that he was not an engineer. He has referred me to a local guy who is an engineer and builds race cars for further analysis and recommendations. So if anyone else has a set, I would recommend not installing them yet till I get word back from the engineer. It may be all good as it is, it may be something that is fixable, and it may be a write off. I will post more info as soon as I get it.

BTW, Jeff didn't feel it was dangerous for normal street driving. But we all know that track driving is much harder on equipment that normal driving, and he was concerned of a failure under stress at 100+ mph.


If you find an engineer to say it is ok... I would be shocked. It might work, but I would never sign off on it.
2010-12-17 17:33:53
#173
wnwright was it you worried about how they would handle braking forces? I had to agree with you 100% once you pointed it out.
2010-12-17 17:55:31
#174
I don't think I was the one that posted up about braking forces, but I was worried about braking and just regular old bump impact forces. Both apply loads in which heim joints were never designed or rated for. I backed off because he said he was an engineer and did analysis on it and had other engineers look at it. I doubted it but didn't want to start a fight with a vendor. With what I know now about their education and work history.... Hind sight is 20/20.

It should be ok for cornering loads... FWIW Just don't hit bumps or tap brakes.

Another thing I'd be curious about is the design of the thread insert that is welded on.... If it is only held in place by the one weld that would be another area of concern. I hope that the body goes inside the tube to distribute the load.
2010-12-17 19:01:11
#175
Anyone know what Kojima used on his Dog 2 car?
2010-12-17 23:23:42
#176
Headlights
Finally got them back today. They are in good condition. Here are a couple pics.


2010-12-17 23:29:47
#177
well thats good news..
2010-12-18 01:35:44
#178
2010-12-18 02:52:15
#179
Great news.
2010-12-18 17:34:07
#180
Originally Posted by wnwright
+1 billion

Mark has taken a stance that our community is at fault for his problems (lack of communication, shifting lead times, abilty to make a quality product, etc). He doesn't want to deal with us anymore because we called him out for his BS.

Nothing is ever his fault.

Originally Posted by happynole
I know I have 2 sets of the control arms, in my NX and in the B14. I also know that Jimithin7000 has purchased a set. Has anyone else picked up a set? I had the B14 at Gran Turismo this week for some tires and an alignment. Jeff said he thought the control arm itself was a nice sturdy piece, but he was "not comfortable" with the design of the heim joint. He would have felt better if it was 3/4" instead of 1/2', but he also said that he was not an engineer. He has referred me to a local guy who is an engineer and builds race cars for further analysis and recommendations. So if anyone else has a set, I would recommend not installing them yet till I get word back from the engineer. It may be all good as it is, it may be something that is fixable, and it may be a write off. I will post more info as soon as I get it.

BTW, Jeff didn't feel it was dangerous for normal street driving. But we all know that track driving is much harder on equipment that normal driving, and he was concerned of a failure under stress at 100+ mph.

This needs to be made a LARGE STICKY AND PROMINENTLY DISPLAYED IN ALL APPROPRIATE FORUM SECTIONS AS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT for anyone who has a set of these control arms.

There is in fact a current possiblity the control arms could kill someone, pending further analysis.

Originally Posted by happynole
Also, if you remember that I said I heard exhaust leaks when we picked up the car. The leaks were due to the fact that there were only 5 of the 8 bolts holding the header to the motor. 1 exhaust stud was broken in the block and 2 other studs were missing altogether.

Those are all your fault Joe. Or my fault, or the fault of the forum.

Originally Posted by vqman
What I think is, Mark needs his ass beat to a pulp...

Matt, how could you say such a thing? That is just internet gangsta thuggin', and is totally uncalled for. Such violent language, it offends my delicate nature and sensibilities.

I'm gonna have to quit the forum now, I am too frightened and mortified to continue to post on the Dash.

Besides Matt, you would never get close enough to Mark to beat his ass to a pulp before he vaporized your retinas with his Big Laser.

Originally Posted by BenFenner
Joe, you mean to tell me you don't recommend using plastic zip-ties to hold header wrap on?

What is wrong with plastic zip ties on a 1,000 degree header?

The zip ties may have helped fasten the header to the block before they melted. In place of those un-necessary three (3) out of eight (8) studs.

Gorilla Tape would have worked much better than zip-ties anyways....

Originally Posted by wnwright
If you find an engineer to say it is ok... I would be shocked. It might work, but I would never sign off on it.

A formal Dash Forum Announcement should be put in place quickly by the Staff.

Originally Posted by wnwright
I don't think I was the one that posted up about braking forces, but I was worried about braking and just regular old bump impact forces. Both apply loads in which heim joints were never designed or rated for. I backed off because he said he was an engineer and did analysis on it and had other engineers look at it. I doubted it but didn't want to start a fight with a vendor. With what I know now about their education and work history.... Hind sight is 20/20.

It should be ok for cornering loads... FWIW Just don't hit bumps or tap brakes.

Another thing I'd be curious about is the design of the thread insert that is welded on.... If it is only held in place by the one weld that would be another area of concern. I hope that the body goes inside the tube to distribute the load.

Well all you need to do is never hit a bump or use the brakes. That should work.

Holy-christ-mother-of-fuck-on-a-steaming-platter.

Formal DASH PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT IS IN ORDER. RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

There is a possibility of someone dying folks. Sueing the fuck out of Mark, Brian, OEM, their insurance company (???) and their cursed parents for sireing such imbecillic children will NOT bring back one of our fellow forum members if that control arm breaks under load at 100 mph.

Shawn B
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