Thread: B13 SE-R Non-Power Steering Racks?

As Vector say don't do it , I have a B13 rally car, bent racing rally sens 06 and I promise you if you take the PS out you'll regret it !!! A bigger cooler will do the job and the PS will help you win races .....
Good lick with your project .
Gus

Alright, I definitely did not consider the possibility of a bigger P/S cooler. I'll have to take that into consideration as well - especially since I'd have to come up with the alternative tensioner if I deleted the P/S anyway.

I have a 1991 manual E rack in mine works well for me I don't mind heavier steering .

I have another one for sale if interested PM me

gut the factory rack, its free and only takes an hour or so. You keep the quicker turning and no need to hunt down another rack. I had the looped lines on my B14 and it was harder to turn than my P10 with a gutted rack.

Wheelbases are so similar so this is a better comparison. B14 vs P10. I know the rack ratios are different between SE-R and P10 so this could explain the feeling you have (unless I am misunderstanding you)

A B13 is a fair amount shorter and this drastically helps to the feeling of a faster responding, quicker to manuever car.

Just like how fun a real Mini-Cooper is, crap "suspension" but it was so small, it is funner than sin.

Cannot speak to the rally racing aspect, however I have had a manual E rack for over 2 years now on my daily and love it. Went with a stretched belt with no tensioner also...

But the E rack is a slower rack to make up for the lack of power. IF the numbers I see elsewhere are right it's about 4.25 turns lock to lock on a E rack and 2.75 on a P/S rack. That means with a 1.5x quickener you'd end up about 2.8 turns lock to lock, or still slower than a P/S rack. Better to just leave the P/S rack in and loop it.

There are places that I think a manual rack would be great, but not where I expect to be steering lock-to-lock with the throttle pegged, fighting torque-steer, over rough terrain and modulating the brakes all at once. Wearing the equivalent of an oven mitt in a cabin that gets toasty even on cool spring days doesn't help. Rally isn't a short little 20-min sprint race, you can be in that car for 12-16 hours a day over two days and anything that increases driver fatigue is the enemy.

I used to boil the P/S fluid in just a couple turns on a rallycross course on a hot day, but between going to the larger B14 reservoir, and the additional cooling and fluid capacity adding a cooler and lines gives, I have never seen a recurrence.

I replaced my manul rack because i felt like a bus driver going through slaloms and tight turns at the local autocross. I still have all the parts if you are interested (i'm in CT)
for refference; the 92 factory service manual lists the following specs:

Manual Rack found in the E model:
steering overall gear ratio:22.7
turns lock to lock: 4.21

SE-R rack:
steering overall gear ratio: 16.5
turns lock to lock: 2.74

-Dave