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2012-01-10 21:36:25

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your teacher is a MORON.

you would be better off with JB weld.

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2012-01-10 21:37:33

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have it your way.
im done beating this beyond dead horse.

put them on your car and you will LOVE the outcome.

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2012-01-10 21:40:14

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Originally Posted by tj5854

your teacher is a MORON.

you would be better off with JB weld.

moron? if you would like to know him more please pm me and ill tell you what he did during his whole career!! ill give you a little example "ASE certified", i can even printed out his whole degree for you to look if you want too..

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2012-01-10 21:41:33

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Originally Posted by tj5854

have it your way.
im done beating this beyond dead horse.

put them on your car and you will LOVE the outcome.

you like it your way, i like it my way!!!so now we both goes our own way!!!

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2012-01-10 21:44:02

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Originally Posted by zero1dhd

I am a full-time fabricator. DO NOT USE THESE ON YOUR CAR. I don't mean to bum you out, but they will not be safe. I am all for fabbing up custom parts, but this should not be your first project by any means.

First off, it doesn't look like you removed the paint around the weld. The paint burning will contaminate your weld. There is no way in hell a flux core should be used for this. IMO flux core is for artwork type welding only. These should be TIG welded and braced by someone who knows what they are doing. I would only half trust a MIG with the proper shielding gas. You're trusting 2000 pounds (plus the forces of driving which will be way more) on a couple of improper welds.

Again, I'm not trying to bum you out, or bash you. You are a beginner, so start off on some beginner projects. Something that won't kill you and/or others if it fails. Quite honestly I don't trust the professors opinion either. I'm going to have to assume he doesn't really know what these are for, and the forces thrust upon them while driving.

To make these work from here (which I do not recommend) you need to:

1)Grind down your welds (like all the way off), remove the paint around the area, and re-weld them. See if you can use the MIG at school with inert gas.

2)Add 1/8" plate to both sides of the arm from the ball-joint to the mounting points. Fully weld the seams in 1-2" increments, moving from place to place so you don't over heat the arm and warp it.

3)Add another (min) 1/8" plate to the bottom, also full width. Weld in the same process as step 2.

At that point the arms should be strong enough that I would trust my life and the lives of others. Again, I recommend you TIG, but at least MIG them with solid core wire and the proper inert gas.

If you really think about it, would you rather over build the shit out of them and never worry about? OR would you rather worry about your life every time you drive and hit a bump?

here the pictures!!!(these are just my phone pictures)

here my friend helping grinding the paint off

just testing how it fit, not done grinding yet!!!

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2012-01-10 21:55:28

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No need to get pissy, I was just observing from your pictures. I think it's odd that out of my whole post, the only thing you have to comment on is that you indeed did (kinda) remove the paint before welding.

As for your professor. He is ASE certified, that is certified in automotive repair. My Dad is ASE certified, and I can weld circles around him (could from about the age of 14 LOL) [edit] okay, so your techear is/was a certified welding inspector? that scares me even more [/edit]

You need to have them looked at by someone with a welding certification [edit] who isn't making money off you being at his school.... [/edit] , and they will tell you the same thing I did. It scares me that he apparently knows what these are for, yet says they are a-okay for your vehicle. The fact that he said "just check them every couple weeks" means he doesn't really think they are structurally sound. He probably just doesn't want to bum you out on your first project.

Again, I'm not trying to bum you out, or talk shit on your project in any way. I'm just saying to start with something less important and work your way up to something this critical.

Hell, if you were closer, I would weld them for you. Really weld them, with my TIG and 100% argon. And I'd brace them properly. In a couple hours I could have them stronger than stock (much stronger). Personally, I would have even braced russells arms more, but I'd rather over build any day of the week.

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2012-01-10 21:56:20

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Originally Posted by tj5854

your teacher is a MORON.

you would be better off with JB weld.

here my basic welding teacher little info if your dead serious want to know!!

"Mr. Taddei comes to Delta College with 30 + years experience as a Welding Supervisor, Maintenance Technician, and as our adjunct faculty instructor since 2001. Alex is a graduate of Delta College with an A. A. degree in Industrial Technology and a certificate in Fluid Power. He holds a certificate in Communication and Supervision from UOP. Alex has earned two certifications from the American Welding Society as a Welding Inspector (1987 - present) and a Welding Educator (1992 - present)"

here my autobody teach info also!!

"Mr. Mariani is a recent addition to our Auto Body Technology Program as a full time instructor. Prior to joining our ranks he has operated a highly successful auto body repair facility in Stockton. He looks forward to sharing his experience and knowledge with his students."

if you want to know more please pm thanks!!

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2012-01-10 22:02:42

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Originally Posted by zero1dhd

No need to get pissy, I was just observing from your pictures. I think it's odd that out of my whole post, the only thing you have to comment on is that you indeed did (kinda) remove the paint before welding.

As for your professor. He is ASE certified, that is certified in automotive repair. My Dad is ASE certified, and I can weld circles around him (could from about the age of 14 LOL)
You need to have them looked at by someone with a welding certification, and they will tell you the same thing I did. It scares me that he apparently knows what these are for, yet says they are a-okay for your vehicle. The fact that he said "just check them every couple weeks" means he doesn't really think they are structurally sound. He probably just doesn't want to bum you out on your first project.

Again, I'm not trying to bum you out, or talk shit on your project in any way. I'm just saying to start with something less important and work your way up to something this critical.

Hell, if you were closer, I would weld them for you. Really weld them, with my TIG and 100% argon. And I'd brace them properly. In a couple hours I could have them stronger than stock (much stronger). Personally, I would have even braced russells arms more, but I'd rather over build any day of the week.

i have two teacher, also even though my autobody teacher is not a welder, he have a welding certificate too since you got to know how to weld working on cars body. about my welding teacher i couldn't contact him so im waiting till my school start(next monday) and show him. on the other hand im going to get another set and let my professor weld them in case i feel that its not safe to use mine for the rest of its life!!

also im not pissy out on you, im just telling the other guy why not to call my teacher MORON when he's not even to their level yet!!

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2012-01-10 22:16:10

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if your teacher really told you to put your control arms on then i stand by what i said. he is a FUCKING MORON. i would be more then happy to tell him also.. but if he really has the exprience stated he should have never told you to install them. he should have shown you the correct way to do it.

also if he is such a great welder and an amazing welding educator why is he teaching at a local community college?

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2012-01-10 22:16:38

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