Thread: Csk builders

To replicate my setup would be much less price wise than the equivalent B13 (B14 chassis) with 8611s all around for several reasons (note to Keo )

1) A set of 8610/8611 Front and Yellow Rears are fairly cheaper than a full set of 8610s/8611s
2) I only need custom housings for the front end as the rear comes as a complete shock itself (similar to hondas actually)

Again, price wise, I would prefer to not disclose.

Regardless, just PM Veliside to avoid unnecessary speculation. He would be much more adept at answering any questions you can throw at him as he was more than helpful when I approached him

The damper that would be used would be the 8610-1436 Race. All 8610's are the Race model (at least that I have ever seen), as the differentiation is from the older Sport Models from the 8611 line. The Sport models were linear valved rather than digressive.

The 8610-1436 is basically an 8611-1257 set at 2-3 clicks of compression, and adjustable rebound.

I'll figure out pricing by tomorrow and let everyone know.

I might be in the minority, but 2G's to have a bad-ass Koni based suspension doesn't even make me blink. I'm on an old mans budget.

I would also be interested in what a Spec V Yellow front B13 set-up costs.

I have no idea what other Koni's will work in the back of a B13 as the B13 reds are no longer available.

I'd like to know if powder coating is available.

Is there a cost difference between building them for GC coilovers or for stock replacement springs?

What range of spring rates will work with the various Koni options? For a street ride, does the 8610-1436 still make sense, or is it even viable with lower rate springs? I know what Steve (98sr20ve) posted about the spring rates that work within the parameters of the more common Spec V Yellows and B13 Reds. I think Steve also posted info on the Maxima (?) Koni's....

Would veilside be willing to order up the GC collars and springs and send the units ready to bolt-on.

Basically, what we could or could not "order" from veilside to cover street, track or combo set-ups.

Eggman, Shawn B, Will, Boostlee, Greg Amy, and SER-ican have all been looking for CSK's or a Koni builder, or built them themselves. That is six folks that wanted CSK's.

Apparently only Greg and Boostlee actually got to veilside with an order or even so much as a discussion.

I'm working with Will on a set of CSK's for both of us simply because I did not remember that I could even approach veilside. Or I certainly would have. I remembered veilside's expertise when Rob (SER-ican) approached me asking about someone who might build him a set.

And that is no slam to Will whatsoever. It merely speaks volumes about my respect for Veilsides reputation and expertise.

Seems like there is at least some amount of serious interest in CSK's on our low-budget SR20 forum.

It might not be as much business as from other more affluent forums, but if we are willing to pay what veilside needs in the way of pricing to make it worth his while (profitable), I do not see why he would not accept our business. Right now his only competition on this forum is "do it yourself."

That clarification should help a lot of people! The Spec V yellow inserts for the front are also 8610's, obviously not the race variant with two way adjustability.

^^ Wes, do you not mean 8611s (are the 2 way adjustable)??

Shawn, I will try to help answer some of your questions



I think the biggest dependent variable(s) is/are
1) Housing thickness of insert
2) The custom housing ability to accept the chosen insert
3) Insert length (the 8611s for instance have several different insert lengths to choose from)



Depends on OTS variants of yellows (Maxima, Spec V or just factory B13/B14 replacements). Also, quiet frankly, I would not even bother with the reds (but that is just my personal opinion. I am pretty sure others have varying opinion on this and maybe Veilside can shed his opinion on the reds)
I think B13 is the lowest on the food chain with a max (recommended) rate of 350-400lbs
Then the Spec V with 450lbs
Then the Maximas just slightly above the Spec V (or vica versa)

Ride characteristics are heavily dependent on damping characteristics and not necessarily spring rate. The 8610 should work just fine with the lower spring rates. But quite frankly, anything below 350-400lbs lbs is a waste in my opinion if you really want to utilize the konis and start to regain some handling qualities and actually "stiffen" up (or utilize your many chassis braces I have seen you install in the past) the paper like chassis that is the B13.


And come to think about it, I "might" be interested in a set of front B14 housings just for a spare set to drop some 8611s in for the future.

You like to be long winded Shawn. lol



The only 2 setups I would bother with is either of these two.

Street Car:

Maxima or Spec V Fronts (I know the specs for the Maxima since I had a set)

Personally I wouldn't run over a 440-450 lb spring on either of these dampers, and even with that I think it's a hair underdamped. On that same token I wouldn't run much over a 400 lb rear spring on a non-revalved B14 shock.

Race Car/Auto-X/Mix

8610-1436 Race or 8611-1257 Race depending on budget

From what I recall the set that Will had done with his old car looked good, so I'd say you are just fine Shawn.

I love this thread!

You know one thing I want to mention: Why even bother thinking about springs with a koni setup?? My personal opinion is

1) The GC coils are just simply NOT that much more expensive than ("good") springs
2) Coils use a smaller perch = more room for a wider wheel/tire combo
3) Infinite spring rate and range of adjustment. Not personally a fan of waiting for springs to settle either (stock or aftermarket)...........

The wider tire option is exactly what I want. With my car be set up more as a drag/street car this is why the option of GC's is attractive to me.