Thread: SO, THIS looks very wrong.

Dave, with them it's just the communication issue on some faulty parts.. it's not like they're collecting money and not giving any effort at all, but as you can see from this thread they got themselves involved in a mod that they didn't research enough and now haven't made this right in over 2 months since this was first posted..

they said that Koni says to cut at 52mm in one of his responses on page 1 of this thread.

When Koni says to cut a "Sentra strut housing" at 52 mm to install the inserts... they are talking about the OE strut housing of a Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V - not a B13; this is where it becomes a "custom" job.

Overkill used those instructions from a Koni Spec V insert on a B13 rear strut housing.

They struts are called "CSK's" for a reason: CUSTOM shortened Koni's.. you have to do your own measuring because the differences between the B15 strut housing and the B13 strut housing..

If you drive a Spec V and want Koni Inserts, cut at 52mm.. if you drive a B13 SE-R, you need a custom fabrication - the instructions Koni supplies with the Spec V inserts DO NOT WORK. You have to take your own measurements and figure out the right amount to cut off to make the strut work right.

They didn't do this.... they used Koni instructions written for a B15 housings used w/B15 inserts on something that should have been custom: B13 housing w/B15 inserts...

And it gets better, Steve Foltz says in his writeup that you cannot use OE diameter springs with B13 rear housings and B15 inserts.. I don't know why exactly, but according to 98sr20ve (Steve Foltz) you can't.


Here is where he is saying the Spec V inserts can't be used with lowering springs (bolded in black letters):

Yeah I know VQDoooooooooooood, I actually read this thread before I posted.

I understand the issues the OP is having, like stated in my other posts. Not trying to defend or defame anyone. And so far, until I see something diff. I'm gathering that OEM's customer service skills and the responsibility of following up on this issue are highly lacking.

To the OP, I am sorry for your hassles on this issue, I'm sure it is beyond frustrating!

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And you know what I have in my house, come get some..................



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ok, I just reread the entire thread, and no one points out clearly & precisely the fact that Overkill's primary/fundamental mistake (the reason they made the mistake) was: they followed the Koni B15 front insert instructions [/B] which said to cut 52mm off of the front B15 housing. They applied B15 front instructions to a rear B13 Sentra housing. The shouldn't even use the 52mm measurement for the B13 front housings..

I don't think that has been brought up.. For the sake of the community learning, I think I need to make it even more clear for everyone:
(its only in all caps to be clear, sorry for being ridiculous)
DO NOT USE THE B15 KONI INSTRUCTIONS/MEASUREMENTS FOR B13 HOUSINGS w/B15 INSERTS - REAR or FRONT - INSTEAD - TAKE YOUR OWN MEASUREMENTS (this part saved to be edited later, there also may be (conflicting data) no chance of using B15 Spec V inserts AT ALL in rear, but i keep seeing some people say they'll fit and you need to do custom LENGTHENED koni's by using spacers and a longer bolt, on the flip side, some people are saying the valving is wrong - and the Great Steve Foltz himself said this )



^I'm also not sure this is correct either (using B13 instructions with B15 inserts).
I believe the whole deal has to be completely custom. The only part of the instructions I used from Koni was how to remove the old strut to prep for the insert. I'm taking my own measurements.. which I need to do again, but no time this weekend.. ugh






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I have reposted some stuff others already put in this thread, made it look like I wasn't paying attention - but i forget where I read what and when.... that

I have read so many of these darn threads going back to 2004 when I first started looking at this as an option. Steve Foltz built my first set in 2005 and my current set, someone on the forum sold me (can't remember who) that he did it himself. Anyway, I have owned two sets of CSK's and I'm building a third set I still don't seem to have it down yet.. too much confusion and unclear posts, i prefer things in a spreadsheet format. I hate reading technical data in a paragraph. I need outlines and bolded headlines for a subject change to keep me recognizing what's being talked about..

I appreciate all the information that has been going back and forth as far as responsibility and communication, but I have still yet to have any sort of reconciliation on this issue. I posted a thread in Overkill's section on here and finally got a reply. He stated that he has made many sets this way and that he would delete that thread, but PM-ing him is best.

Now, stating that you've made a product the same way is one thing, but were they for the same springs? It is known that I specified using RM springs on this setup, not a coilover, which would be a way of remedying the setup according to OEM. To me, this is not an option. I did not go with a coilover setup for the "ease" of not having to deal with changing ride heights or anything else.

As far as everyone else saying that they hope the original poster and OEM find a solution in this thread, believe me, I hope so too.

wow, i just saw this, they deleted the thread?? what a bunch of tools.... i JUST sent you a PM saying they would do this..

you should post in the feedback forum if they don't do something in a week.. they delete all of the customer complaints in their forum..... it's pretty sad really..

Do all the vendors on this site have the ability to delete negative feedback?

Or am I confussed again?





You know us pretty ones are kind of dumb......

Yes you do.

I am hoping that you really, no-kidding, learn your CSK-sh*t and know exactly what works and what does not. Selfishly at least on B13's, but hopefully B14/15 as well.

It would be a tragedy if no-one currently active in the SR20 Community was left who really knows the ins-and-outs of CSK's.

Go...go...VQman.....You can do it..........


I'm with you, not an option here either. For the same reasons. I do not want coilovers on my daily. I want my Hyperco springs and CSK's. Bolt it on, set it, and forget it. I am not the least bit interested in any sort of adjustments or fiddling with my suspension. It is not a price issue, it is that I want my suspension to remain stock-simple. Brain and hassle free.


Feedback Forum is the correct place.

The vendors are subject to witch-hunts as red91sr pointed out earlier. A complaint thread in their own section is an invation for a single issue to snowball out of control and get very messy.

If you are running a business (any business, anywhere), you do not want to discuss an issue concerning one (1) person, in public and subject to the scrutiny of every person that happens by in the next week, right in the dead front of your business on the sidewalk. That would not work at the Grocery Store, an Auto Garage, a Real Estate Office, nor on-line.

A Vendors Section is their "on-line sidewalk" at the forefront of their on-line business, and not the place for such a discussion.


In their own Sections, they have at least some Moderator-like powers. For instance the power to delete threads.

Which is why we have a Feedback Section, seperate from any Vendors section.