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Thread: Road Magnet + AGX vs. Megan Coilovers?

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2008-12-22 17:21:34
#31
Originally Posted by jamcru
I have RM and AGX's and I think the combo sucks. I read tons of reviews and was convinced that this setup was better then the crappy Eibach/Tokico blues I had previously. I do not track my car, but I live down the street from the Dragon and some of the most wonderful turns and twists in the country. I need control in other words as there is zero run-off around here.

Maybe I need to play around with them more but I feel a stronger strut is in order.

Maybe I'm just too old, but I can't wait to get away from this setup. I just don't know what to head towards?? The biggest problem with getting input from members here, is that we all have a different idea of what 'perfect' is. For example, people are raving about the Progress coilovers. However, there are several for sale where the owners state the ride is too rough. Perfect and rough do not go together in my opinion.

My $0.02

I agree 100%.

The AGX's are a bit too harsh for my 44 year old ass as well.

You can see my full suspension set-up in Members Rides under "93' Classic Resotoration."

http://www.sr20-forum.com/members-rides/12127-93-classic-restoration.html

I am replacing the AGX's with CSK's.

From everything I have read, which is quite a bit (and per Bennito Mallito's opinion), the Hyperco Gen II and CSK's is what I am after. A close to stock comfort-level suspension with greatly elevated performance abilities.

Originally Posted by billc
OK, I'll be 60 years old in a couple months, and I drive my B13 80 miles round trip to work every day. I have tried several spring/strut combinations and I have not found the AGX to be suitable for my taste on the street. So maybe your preferences are similar to mine, when it comes to ride.

First, I would recommend that you try Koni strut inserts. See if you can catch a ride with a local Forum member that has these dampers. They make a world of difference compared to the AGX. It takes a little bit of effort to install Konis because you have to cut the top off the strut body, but there are lots of instructions on the Forums, and it's really not that hard.

Next is the question of springs. For the street, I'd recommend that you strongly consider sticking with the stock springs. Combined with the Konis set about 25% off dead soft, I think that you will like the compromise between comfort, control, and handling. If you want less body roll and more responsiveness, I've had good luck adding front and rear sway bars by White Line. For the B13, they sell a rear bar that has 2 settings.

If you absolutely need to lower your car, then you are going to have to go to shorter springs -- and this means that you will need to shorten your Koni struts to preserve suspenion travel, which will make the installation of the struts slightly more challenging. But doable. I've tried Eibach Pro-Kits with CSKs and cut bump stops and found that they still bottom out too much and really don't handle very well. I have also done the Hypercoils with AGX and CSKs and love them for the track but feel they are a little too much for the street. So I settled on White Line springs which seem to be somewhere between the Eibachs and the Hypercoils. I run them with CSKs and cut bump stops -- drive them every day on Washington DC streets. I wish that they rode a half inch higher, but they are the best shortened daily driver spring that I have found. Even so, it's a toss up for me when I think about going back to Konis and the stock springs. Knowing what I know now, I'd probably go with Koni reds, stock springs, and sway bars for a daily driver. Add light wheels and good tires and there are not many cars that can embarrass you in the turns with this set up.

Very good advice.

That advice is reiterated by Steve Foltz (98sr20ve). In fact, he recommends just such a set-up in many instances.

Originally Posted by BenFenner
Until you ride in a car with high rate, progressive springs and proper dampers (Koni, Bilstein, etc.) you do not know what you're missing.

Hyperco springs. Custom shortened strut bodies with Koni "yellow" inserts. You will believe.

And that is what I am buying. Right there. With a few extras, but that is the basics of my suspension.

Originally Posted by jamcru
YES, I am sick and tired of a firm, harsh and bumpy ride in my B13. Why?? Because, it doesn't need to be that way for a good handling street car.

You wrote:
No, the problem is most people on this forum have never driven a car with a proper damper. They don't know what it's like to run a very high spring rate and still get an extremely supple ride so they don't think it's possible. They think that to get rid of body roll you have to live with a stiff ride. You can have a pliable ride and minimal body roll at the same time people!

This is my problem. I've had, and do own cars with properly paired springs and struts and you can have your cake and eat it too. Great handling and pliable ride are possible, but usually at a cost.

Thanks for your comments. I will consider the CSK option.

100% agreement.

I want nearly stock comfort with a greatly elevated performance envelope.

Therefore, I am making my car as stiff as humanly possible, sans any cage or in-cabin bracing. And the basis of my suspension will be the Hyperco Gen II springs with CSK's. Full OEM suspension travel (you lose an inch with the AGX's), a reasonable spring rate, and superior strut valving and performance.

I'm ordering a set of CSK's in January, someone smart and mechanically adept is gonna be building me a set.
2008-12-22 20:00:45
#32
Glad to see people still take the time to read these days. I was just about ready to post up the "Shawn B Suspension thread video" again!

-L
2009-01-14 22:00:13
#33
Originally Posted by Shawn
I'm ordering a set of CSK's in January, someone smart and mechanically adept is gonna be building me a set.


Who is building you a set, and would they consider building another at some point? I would love to get my hands on these. PM me when you get a minute.
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