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Thread: Action item: B13 SE-R & NX2000 to FSP

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2009-02-09 17:57:20
#11
Whoo!
2009-02-10 23:33:16
#12
Will this include the B14 chassis?
2009-02-11 01:37:31
#13
nope sorry
2009-02-11 03:57:01
#14
That kinda figures. Rear beam FTL!
2009-02-11 17:30:41
#15
If you don't like it, write a letter to [email]seb@scca.com[/email]

Arm them with knowledge, and make a good case. Brian doesn't get a ton of letters, so anything he forwards to the street prepared committee may have some weight.

I sent this:

Hello,

I would like to submit for review the following moves from DSP to FSP:

- 1995-1998 Nissan 200SX SE-R
- 1998-1999 Nissan Sentra SE 2.0 - there was actually no '95-'97 Sentra 2.0L, as implied by the DSP line "Sentra 2.0L ('95-'99)"
- 2000-2001 Nissan Sentra SE 2.0

These three cars use essentially the same 2.0L SR20DE with five-speed drivetrain as the '91-'94 SE-R and '91-'93 NX2000 (both B13 chassis, now classed in FSP), but with a less potent chassis.

The '95-'98 SE-R and '98-'99 SE 2.0 (identical B14 chassis) are very similar mechanically to the B13, but switched to a rear beam axle setup in place of the rear trailing-link IRS found on the B13. Slightly less aggressive cam profiles were also used, but Nissan's stated factory output of 140hp and 132tq remained unchanged through 1999. The redline was reduced from 7500 RPM on the B13 to 7100 RPM, but Street Prepared rules allow modifications that can counter this change.

The 200SX SE-R was a two-door version of the Sentra. Same chassis, and all drivetrain and suspension parts are a direct swap. They could be classed on the same line for street prepared.

The B14 Sentra/200SX has similar weight, dimensions, and performance potential to the B13 Sentra/NX classified in FSP this year. The engine is almost identical, and the VLSD transmission and axles interchange with a B13 SE-R or NX2000. The front struts and many strut tower brace designs also interchange. For FSP purposes, the B14 generation is a very similar car to the B13, and its inclusion in the class would allow a greater number of owners to enjoy the FSP as with the earlier generation.

The '00-'01 Sentra SE 2.0L retained the SR20DE engine and optional five speed with viscous limit slip differential. This newer B15 chassis has front struts and a rear beam axle like the B14, but it's wheelbase and weight grew. The engine's head design changed slightly to a roller rocker cam follower setup, and it has a four-counterweight crank from the eight-counterweight crank used from '91-'99. The factory redline was reduced to 6600 RPM, and Nissan's stated hp changed to 145hp and 136tq from the factory.

Because of it's increased dimensions, the '00-'01 Sentra SE 2.0 is the least potent of the three generations of SR20DE vehicles. For that reason, I believe is should be reclassified as a FSP car, as well.

Thank you for your review!
2009-02-12 03:36:31
#16
I can barely compete as it is. Buuuuuut thats probably due to worn out all season tires and an auto tranny.
2009-02-12 03:47:52
#17
Also the club I go to the most doesn't do SCCA classing.
2009-02-13 22:40:50
#18
Originally Posted by autoxse-r
hey guys I just looked at the 09 rule book online and it shows the nx and se-r have been moved to FSP for the new year



Important note: They are no longer on the same line in FSP! I don't know if that was an over sight and will be fixed under a Fastrack bulletin or not, but you may want to write your letters now if you're running NX brakes in SP. I also noticed that they weren't removed from DSP!
2009-02-14 03:32:43
#19
I noticed that to, and brought that info up, but from the horses mouth they are definatly in FSP now but they are still deciding on whether they will be listed on the same line. that is still up in the air
2009-02-16 12:51:47
#20
Originally Posted by Blair
Important note: They are no longer on the same line in FSP! I don't know if that was an over sight and will be fixed under a Fastrack bulletin or not, but you may want to write your letters now if you're running NX brakes in SP. I also noticed that they weren't removed from DSP!


Yeah, I noticed that, too. I figure it's just an oversight or hasty editing. I mean, we're still listed in DSP.

Here is the meat of a letter I wrote to the SEB a few weeks ago:

...there are some mistakes in the 2009 Solo rulebook concerning the Nissans.

First, the SE-R and NX2000 are still listed in DSP under ('91+). There is also a 2002-2006 Sentra SE-R and a 2007+ Sentra SE-R, each a distinct chassis with the 2.5L QR25DE engine. [...]

Secondly, the '91-'94 Sentra SE-R and '91-'93 NX2000 are no longer listed on the same line in FSP. They were combined previously, owing to the fact that they are mechanically identical other than front brakes and radiator. I have the slightly wider, heavier (and arguably less autocross-potent) NX2000 front calipers and rotors on my 1992 SE-R for trackday use, and the separate listings would make my '92 SE-R technically illegal in FSP, where it was legal last year in DSP.

Thirdly, the line "Sentra & SE-R ('91-'94)" reads to allow update/backdate between both types of B13-generation Sentra: the 1.6L trim levels, and the 2.0L SE-R trim level. However, the 1.6L NX1600 and 2.0L NX2000 are on separate lines, even though they are both on the same Nissan B13 chassis, and had the same 1.6L GA16DE and 2.0L SR20DE drivetrain options, respectively, as the Sentra.

I believe the correct line in FSP would be "Sentra & NX ('91-'94)." This would cover all B13-chassis Nissans from the period. The Nissan Factory Service Manual even considers both the NX and Sentra same for like parts in 1.6L/2.0L trims. No matter which you chose to prepared to the extent of SP rules via update/backdate, the result would be a car with indescernable performance differences.

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