A Lot of people have said working on a DE is a waste of time, but I always thought that logic was wrong because to get a ve to 200whp is probably gonna be between 2000-2500 bucks including the price of buying the motor. VE is where the max power will be but for regular Joes. DE's do well enough. Next to be seen is how much power you can get from s4 cams. A super low budget setup. If I ever get my money right I'll have to see for myself.