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2008-03-11 19:25:35
#91
Does all fuel gasoline need to be removed from the system prior to E85 usage, or can you just mix until it's gone?

Thanks for the info,

JCC
2008-03-11 19:27:59
#92
Originally Posted by RC000E
Well, you can believe what you want to believe. Ethanol has been in our gasoline since the late 80's, and Congress required all cars manufactured to design the fuel system to tolerate ethanol. Guys have been running alchohol at the race track on normal gasoline fuel pumps for decades.

If you test a fuel pump in a bucket of water, it'll kill the fuel pump instantly...I've seen people do it. It's because water is electrically conductive. If E85 is the same, then why is my car still running, along with God knows how many other guys. There's probably over 2000 Honda's running E85 now, if not more. I've seen vids of various Mustangs, Vette's, motorcycles....all on stock fuel lines, O-rings, gaskets, etc running E85.

For one, the government, along with auto makers want people to buy flex fuel vehicles...they don't want people to start converting. They are going to discourage this practice, saying the vehicles are special and need this and that. On top of the fact, that lots of people in the car community think they know something about something, and post alot of b.s. When guys search google for info, alot of this crap gets thrown in the mix, and there is confusion.

I've read documentation from very trustworthy sites and representatives saying Ethanol requires a different O2 sensor, because the stoich ratio is 9.7:1 and gasolines is 14.7:1. They say special O2's that read that range are necessary. O2 sensors are lambda sensors, not ratio sensors though. I tuned my car on E85 just like it was gasoline...not a bit different. I tuned for an 11.6:1 ratio under wot. In lambda terms, that's .78 or so lambda. Rich for the street. You tune to lambda, not to a mathematically created ratio of lambda based on the fuel in the tank.

All I can say is, I'm running it and running it damn well. I have friends that are running it (tuned by me), and I know guys on the internet running it. Not ONE....repeat ONE incident of a failed fuel pump, failed line, failed anything in two years. I just can't help but believe that the myth is fairly busted.


im not saying you shouldn't, and working in the automotive field myself i know damn well people blow plenty of smoke up peoples ass's so they buy more expensive crap and don't need it. i believe you run it and the car runs well. i am simply worried about the long term effects and i would LOVE to see you blow that myth out of the water. it will open a new door for us "gas engine tuners" to stay in the game without expensive conversion kits when petrol really starts to sky rocket in price.

however at this moment the only things i have really heard at all is that E85 in a bone stock petrol fuel system is bad........PROVE ME WRONG I PLEAD YOU! pics are worth a thousand words. or even links to sites that have good proof. only thing i was going by was word of mouth and wikipedia
2008-03-11 19:30:48
#93
Originally Posted by JCGator42
Does all fuel gasoline need to be removed from the system prior to E85 usage, or can you just mix until it's gone?

Thanks for the info,

JCC


seeing as how E85 is actually a mix of dyno gas and other good times i don't see a single side effect of mixing other than not getting the "full octain rating" of e85's claimed 105ish octain. of course if you just built an engine and it requires no less than 105 and you are mixing e85 and 89 octain gas that is a very poor idea.
2008-03-11 20:33:47
#94
Originally Posted by classicaddict


however at this moment the only things i have really heard at all is that E85 in a bone stock petrol fuel system is bad........PROVE ME WRONG I PLEAD YOU! pics are worth a thousand words. or even links to sites that have good proof. only thing i was going by was word of mouth and wikipedia


Pics of what is the question? I can take a pic of me at the pump, but aside from that there isn't much to take pics of. You tell me what you want to prove it and I'll do it.

The only thing I can personally say is, that E85 turbo honda tuning started two years ago. I recently got it in my area, and immediately put it in my car and retuned. There hasn't been ONE incident to date of E85 causing anything but good things. NOT ONE. If that isn't proof, I really don't know what is.

Failure over ten years maybe...who knows though? All I can say is, if Congress required all vehicles manufactured tolerate ethanol, then how do these people that are against using it explain that? Do they say the rubber can only tolerate SOME ethanol over 20 years, but not more ethanol? I just see too much of a foggy effect here. It either tolerates it or it doesn't, and ethanol has been in gasoline since the late 80's.

Tell me what you want to see and I'll show you.

I'll provide you with what all of us in the Honda world have as a reference. This link is what has guided many to the E85 promise land. ::Warning:: A link to a Honda forum is about to be posted...if your Nissan eyes can't handle it...look away now...lol.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1812349
2008-03-11 20:39:38
#95
Damian, what did you do to run E85?

I want to run it in my NX too!
2008-03-11 23:42:44
#96
RC000E,

First, Thumbs up , to you for even offering us a new alternative header

Second, try to get a gas mileage reading with E85. From what I've seen, American FlexFuel cars get 2-3 less MPG's then their Normal fuel eating cars...

Thanks!
2008-03-12 00:04:04
#97
Who cares if your mileage goes down with e85? Its the fact that 105 octane fuel is available at the pump and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Here is a good thread over at the Subie forum: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803341
2008-03-12 00:18:39
#98
Originally Posted by CovertRussian
RC000E,

First, Thumbs up , to you for even offering us a new alternative header

Second, try to get a gas mileage reading with E85. From what I've seen, American FlexFuel cars get 2-3 less MPG's then their Normal fuel eating cars...

Thanks!


man, your late. he's also working on a divorced Dp for us too.

and I don't care about mileage, I fill 93 on my old POS 89 Camry.
2008-03-12 00:40:45
#99
Originally Posted by RC000E
Pics of what is the question? I can take a pic of me at the pump, but aside from that there isn't much to take pics of. You tell me what you want to prove it and I'll do it.

The only thing I can personally say is, that E85 turbo honda tuning started two years ago. I recently got it in my area, and immediately put it in my car and retuned. There hasn't been ONE incident to date of E85 causing anything but good things. NOT ONE. If that isn't proof, I really don't know what is.

Failure over ten years maybe...who knows though? All I can say is, if Congress required all vehicles manufactured tolerate ethanol, then how do these people that are against using it explain that? Do they say the rubber can only tolerate SOME ethanol over 20 years, but not more ethanol? I just see too much of a foggy effect here. It either tolerates it or it doesn't, and ethanol has been in gasoline since the late 80's.

Tell me what you want to see and I'll show you.

I'll provide you with what all of us in the Honda world have as a reference. This link is what has guided many to the E85 promise land. ::Warning:: A link to a Honda forum is about to be posted...if your Nissan eyes can't handle it...look away now...lol.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1812349


not sure what i was wanting to see pics of.............ill get back to you on that
2008-03-12 00:57:31
#100
Originally Posted by paNX2K&SE-R
Who cares if your mileage goes down with e85? Its the fact that 105 octane fuel is available at the pump and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Here is a good thread over at the Subie forum: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803341


True true, but with normal gas getting even more expensive it would help...
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