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2008-02-29 02:35:28
#31
Originally Posted by SHigSpeed
And yet with that "poor" design it dynoed well above SSAC. Hmm...

_SHig


he said the same about the AEBS, but I believe he know what's he's doing

lets take a look inside his turbo manifold.







No cheater cuts here!

Damian, if you don't want me to post these LMK, I'll take it down.
2008-02-29 03:08:38
#32
Originally Posted by SHigSpeed
And yet with that "poor" design it dynoed well above SSAC. Hmm...

_SHig


actually no, that pic was when i first did it. and i was pretty new to the whole 4-1 design and theory. i revised that header and made another 8whp, for a total of 10whp over the ssac.

Originally Posted by RC000E
No offense...honestly....but to say that the collector on that is poor would be an understatement. That's a splay design, with four cheater cuts to make the entry angle. The flow penalties of that design probably outweigh any gain it'd see over stock.

I'm not trying to be critical of your piece, I'm just giving you the facts, so please don't take me the wrong way. The collector is just plain bad though. The convergence angle is WAY too steep.




yes sir, this man is correct. that was like i said when before i had done any r&d for myself on this sort of thing, i actually have made a new colletor that is A LOT smoother and i have cut the header down another 5in, now its to a total of about 25-26in with the 2.25 collector and stepped primaries. its an awesome design for top end, drag car. its makes really good power from 6.5-9k but knowing what i now konw i would have done things a little diff.

Originally Posted by classicaddict
i didnt know it was that corey. i thought it was some douche bag trying to be cool. sorry homey



lol thanx bro
2008-02-29 04:21:02
#33
Originally Posted by cory

yes sir, this man is correct. that was like i said when before i had done any r&d for myself on this sort of thing, i actually have made a new colletor that is A LOT smoother and i have cut the header down another 5in, now its to a total of about 25-26in with the 2.25 collector and stepped primaries. its an awesome design for top end, drag car. its makes really good power from 6.5-9k but knowing what i now konw i would have done things a little diff.


Well, that's good to hear. As long as you always strive to improve, then it's all good. I wasn't trying to nitpick the header, but the collector design on it caught my eye hard.

Cuts not made tangent to the radius have high flow penalties, and the angled cuts going into the collector just have tremendous velocity and turbulent losses associated with it.

I can see the attempt to incorporate strong elements into the header, it just appeared to be something that someone new to the header game made. Everyone has to start sometime though, no doubt, so no disrespect there. 4 beehive springs for one slip fit...a bit much....haha.


I got Keo up here doin P.I. work on my stuff...lol. Schedule pipe is alot harder to work with than 16g., no doubt about it. I'm starting an H22A Honda header shortly that'll be full equal length...I'll post some pics when that's underway.
2008-02-29 04:35:27
#34
yup, next step is a visit to your place!! lol
2008-02-29 05:08:33
#35
Originally Posted by RC000E
Well, that's good to hear. As long as you always strive to improve, then it's all good. I wasn't trying to nitpick the header, but the collector design on it caught my eye hard.

Cuts not made tangent to the radius have high flow penalties, and the angled cuts going into the collector just have tremendous velocity and turbulent losses associated with it.

I can see the attempt to incorporate strong elements into the header, it just appeared to be something that someone new to the header game made. Everyone has to start sometime though, no doubt, so no disrespect there. 4 beehive springs for one slip fit...a bit much....haha.


I got Keo up here doin P.I. work on my stuff...lol. Schedule pipe is alot harder to work with than 16g., no doubt about it. I'm starting an H22A Honda header shortly that'll be full equal length...I'll post some pics when that's underway.


would you mind me asking if you are close at all to the reading or philly areas? i used to live in pottstown PA.
2008-02-29 05:29:04
#36
Originally Posted by classicaddict
would you mind me asking if you are close at all to the reading or philly areas? i used to live in pottstown PA.


he lives the other way,
2008-02-29 08:53:20
#37
Originally Posted by Keo
yup, next step is a visit to your place!! lol


I got camera's looking all over my property....I'll shoot yo' ass!!!
2008-02-29 15:27:34
#38
Originally Posted by RC000E
Well, that's good to hear. As long as you always strive to improve, then it's all good. I wasn't trying to nitpick the header, but the collector design on it caught my eye hard.

Cuts not made tangent to the radius have high flow penalties, and the angled cuts going into the collector just have tremendous velocity and turbulent losses associated with it.

I can see the attempt to incorporate strong elements into the header, it just appeared to be something that someone new to the header game made. Everyone has to start sometime though, no doubt, so no disrespect there. 4 beehive springs for one slip fit...a bit much....haha.


I got Keo up here doin P.I. work on my stuff...lol. Schedule pipe is alot harder to work with than 16g., no doubt about it. I'm starting an H22A Honda header shortly that'll be full equal length...I'll post some pics when that's underway.



so what kind of specs are going to with on this? also are you going to have an optional ve flange.
2008-02-29 17:33:56
#39
I'm not really gonna divulge any specs at this point. I have some initial numbers, but I'm gonna run some simulations and do most of the design in software. Right now I'm just focused on getting the core jig built and getting materials for the prototype.
2008-02-29 19:35:15
#40
Sounds like there is some decent interest for these Damian, thats great!
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