Thread: think tank - vqman's N/A Big Cam SR23DE Build 92x86

dead horse - like i've said the RR block came attached to a trailer and B15 LSD transmission that I picked up for $600. At first I only wanted the transmission.

I got a free trailer and RR block out of the deal.

If your really interested in the low lobe data I can get it off my cam card...

yes I am, i have been wanting to know dating back to Sept... if I'd have known this low lobe was similar to an S3/S4 cam... I may have been more inclined to go VE..

I was talking about having a custom cam with S3/S4 low lobe and huge large lobe.. I didn't know the Kelford's grind the whole time..

this is the type of thing that could convince me to go VE....

How are they beating the dead horse? You are missing the point of oil squirters on the VE block regardless of what head you use.

Do you know what Ford has done recently to be able to run higher compression on their motors? Oil squirters.

Understand everyone is trying to help you go in the right direction.

You can't compare the cam data between the DE and VE. I don't understand why you want information on the low lift. Are you building a motor for the sound only? I am really lost.

only because I have said several times (in this thread and others) that I got the current block for free, which is why I was trying to do a build with that block...

I remember reading that in C&D.


And I greatly appreciate the actual help that I get... sometimes it's just "hey dumbass, get a VE. You can make just as much with 2.0 as you can 2.3 in a DE - AND have low end torque too..." - yeah yeah i know..

what I didn't know is that the Kelford 184c has what looks like might be an S3 cam equivalent on the small lobe.. that would be nice for what I'm looking for, though I can't imagine it's AS lopey as a Brian Crower BC3 cam at idle..

it would have to have much more lift, because it certainly doesn't have the same duration. Or is it the timing of the cams with cam gears that makes it a Kelford 184c equipped VE idle lopey?

BC stg 3- .495 LIFT / 272 DEG.DUR
Low lobe IN- ???? LIFT/ ???? DEG. DUR - Low lobe EXH - ???? LIFT/ ???? DEG.DUR

Again, you CANT compare the low lobe data between the two.

With less lift/duration the VE will still outperform in both power and TQ because of head design and a few others.

hmm.. this has me confused..

i know the DE has lower compression and the head doesn't flow as well.. but other than that and tinkering with cam gear settings, why can't you compare the lift/duration?

I understand that the same lift/duration on a DE cam will yield less power than a VE cam with the exact same specs.. because of the higher compression and better volumetric effeciency of the VE head... so I am taking that into consideration when I see the specs on cam lobes.

I didn't realize there would be a difference in "lope" though.. just power output..

a combination... yes I want my four banger to sound bad ass....

and 220ish HP would be more than enough for me. I'm really awfully close to being satisfied where I am right now with S3 cams. Once I get my current set up tuned and my CAI put on.. I'm going to be pretty darn satisfied. I should really be putting most of my energy on getting my car the way it is, running right..

No JWT S series or BC cam will lope like the kelfords.

Another thing you should know is as you go bigger in displacement, air speeds change.

You will lose the very little lope the DE cams offer as it is.

kelfords ftw. i cant wait for day i hear my shit idle and then scream to 10k.

stratton.