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Thread: The OFFICIAL 2011 Nissan/Infiniti/Datsun National Convention

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2010-12-29 16:15:01
#31
Originally Posted by kieranlavin
I'd really like to keep to some sort of a code of ethics.


At local time trials we have 1 good rule: "If you aren't sure if you are supposed to do it... You shouldn't."
2010-12-29 16:27:29
#32
Yeah, stuff like no helmet and passing are parts of the rules of the organization and the track and, to me, a given and common sense. All of those types of rules will be gone over at the mandatory driver's meeting. Beginners will have classroom sessions too to go over stuff like that.

I've seen some really sloppy organized track events and some really good ones... this WILL be good both by NASA's reputation and my word
2010-12-29 16:33:49
#33
Originally Posted by wnwright
At local time trials we have 1 good rule: "If you aren't sure if you are supposed to do it... You shouldn't."


Agreed... however, I was talking a code of ethics for the entire event in general. I don't want to keep people from having fun but I don't want people getting out of control either
2010-12-29 16:36:32
#34
I know this will come up later down the road, but will most of the instructors for the track event be forum members? (For complete track noobs)
2010-12-29 16:38:47
#35
Not necessarily. I have a list of instructors that I am targetting and, if a forum member or SE-R owner (or other Nissan/Infiniti owner for that matter) is qualified to instruct, we will use them.

The list of instructors that I already have are some VERY capable instructors with NASA northeast. All very, very good guys that I am comfortable and very friendly with.
2010-12-29 16:51:03
#36
Are we going to have to have NASA HPDE legal car setups? As in are they going to enforce the rules? There are alot of rules about rollbars, mounting of seats, etc. I know there are probably a few street car guys that wouldn't pass inspection by NASA standards.
2010-12-29 20:34:14
#37
Originally Posted by kieranlavin
Yeah, stuff like no helmet and passing are parts of the rules of the organization and the track and, to me, a given and common sense. All of those types of rules will be gone over at the mandatory driver's meeting. Beginners will have classroom sessions too to go over stuff like that.

I've seen some really sloppy organized track events and some really good ones... this WILL be good both by NASA's reputation and my word


Make sure everyone understands the passing rules, passing areas and what side to pass someone one on in a particular area. In my experience, that eliminates a lot of the risks of bad things happening. I'm sure it will be mentioned, but I thought I'd stress the point.

Also, pit out on Lightning comes out on a blind/fast turn. Make sure the Pit Marshal is sobered up by roll off time... I once had a 911 cut right over from pit out while I was airborn through turn 1....interesting evasives after touching back down....the cabbages were not happy....:o
2010-12-30 01:46:49
#38
Originally Posted by kieranlavin
... just don't bring the wife *AND* mistress or you might have trouble on your hands.


Thanks for pointing that out Kieran! I'm just keeping all of them home for this one.
2010-12-30 02:08:14
#39
Originally Posted by wnwright
Are we going to have to have NASA HPDE legal car setups? As in are they going to enforce the rules? There are alot of rules about rollbars, mounting of seats, etc. I know there are probably a few street car guys that wouldn't pass inspection by NASA standards.


Yes, the tech will be by NASA. If there are any specific questions, I can get answers for you guys. With regard to rollbars, seats, harnesses, rollbar padding, that is all safety stuff and nothing will be overlooked. Safety is king. If you pay for the event, show up with crappy equipment, and don't pass tech, we're not going to be so likely to return the money.

Everyone is responsible for making sure that their car will pass tech. Stuff like loose batteries is even MORE stupid. This will all be on the tech form so everyone will have a chance to fix their equipment.

Originally Posted by hammerin
Make sure everyone understands the passing rules, passing areas and what side to pass someone one on in a particular area.


We will certainly go over this stuff. However, it SOUNDS like you're elluding to a one-side-fits-all with regard to passing. I'm a firm believer that different turns require passing on different sides. For example, at Omaha, there were a few of us that were actually black flagged because coming out onto the main street we all agreed that it would be best to track out all the way to the left and let the passing car get back offline to the right to pass... but the track officials had their own rules and it was passing on the left only. We all thought it was stupid but their track, their rules.

So... in my opinion as long as we are clear on the passing zones and the car being passed is CRYSTAL CLEAR on which way they want the overtaking car to go, we should be good. For beginners which is the only place this should REALLY come into play, there will be an instructor in the car to help both cars decide which side is best. If a more advanced driver is having trouble, perhaps they are in the wrong run group?

Also, pit out on Lightning comes out on a blind/fast turn. Make sure the Pit Marshal is sobered up by roll off time... I once had a 911 cut right over from pit out while I was airborn through turn 1....interesting evasives after touching back down....the cabbages were not happy....:o


That pit out is GREAT in comparisson to say Monticello. There it is COMPLETELY blind. One thing to point out is that the people being let out on track in front of you PROBABLY blew the blend line? That is something NASA pays attention to and something I'll be paying attention to. There is NO need to swing way out to the left coming out of the pits there to "set yourself up" for the next turn. Come out, stay far right and watch your mirrors IN CASE there is a car coming that the pit-out marshall missed. However, NASA Northeast's pit-out guy is very good and I don't anticipate problems so long as people obey the blend line. I usually don't let my students back "on line" until tracking out after that first turn. There's really no need... we're not shooting for 1/10th of seconds and, if you are, chances are you're in the wrong place... we're there to have fun.

And Stefan
2010-12-30 02:28:53
#40
Where is Mr. Suprblackz?

Him and I have to get together for another video this year

The turbo car may only go out for a lap or 2 for the straights. Strickly big-bore NA for the track this convention.
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