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Thread: Kelford 184-C on the Dyno - Progress so Far.

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2010-02-02 15:14:35
#51
Yeah they are now using a diff profile that's much closer to a straight drop in cam. Although you will need springs to run it. This is why I want to kno which cam you guys are testing because the new profile is diff from the one they first came out with..
2010-02-02 16:08:27
#52
as cory said the new kelford cams can be run at 0,0 but you will need springs...that's about as close to 'drop in' as you will get since these cams aren't made for stock motors
2010-02-02 16:14:42
#53
Yup thanx for backin me up. The only thing is we still don't have anyone testing these new profilw back to back against some N1s...
2010-02-03 12:37:37
#54
thinking about future here, im goin to get brian crower springs on stock retainers... will that be sufficient if i do plan to upgrade from n1's to kelfords in the future?
2010-02-03 14:16:51
#55
Yeah. That's what I'm running to. Bc springs w stcoks rets
2010-02-03 20:44:30
#56
Cory how high are you taking the rpm's with that setup and what Ecu. Sorry I do not know your setup to well
2010-02-03 20:54:20
#57
N1 cams, bc springs, stock rets, custom IM and header with machined sr16 pistons. Peak power @ 8.5k I rev it to as high as 9.2k w calum realtime and safc adj fuel after 8k
2010-02-03 21:04:47
#58
Originally Posted by turbofied
It held power nicely flat as a table.

4age Itb's are in his setup


Thanks for the reply.


Originally Posted by sssautomotive
Yep mine held through to 9000rpm with only a 2-3 Hp wave or flutter between 6500-9000. , engine setup is pretty basic with a P11 SR20VE 184-C cams supatech valve springs with Ti retainers, std valves and porting,
N1 pistons uncut, std rods and the std VE crank balanced. A cromoly flywheel and excedy clutch. Intake is a set of the black 4age 20valve quad 45mm. Exhaust is is a one off 4 into 1 I made to spec's of my engine builder and I feel still need tweeking. So as you can see its a real basic and budget build but produces a real good power band so makes it competitive in my class of racing ( Improved production under 2 litres circuit racing) but still leaves me chasing them Honda's, although recently at our nationals it ran 2nd to a AE82 with and Altezza 3SGE Beams engine on our biggest horse power track in Oz, with our big horse power Honda 3rd. Seems the SR20 torque is better than the Honda K20's so with another 20Hp will be a real challenger.
My next test will be a set of 44mm slide throttle's to see if they pick up air speed in the inlet.


Nice setup, and it's refreshing to see somebody trying something new.

As for the cam timing, I've also found the VE to be insensitive to exhaust timing. I have stated this in previous posts about cam timing. But I'm surprised you and Clint have found the intake to be the same.

Since both you and Clint have cylinder head work, I would rule out "restriction" in your setup. Through my own testing, I've found gains going in the opposite direction. Try choking up certain points in the cylinder head and header. Take a look at the 20V exhaust manifold for inspiration. You can pm for the specs.

Needless to say, the key to unlocking the potential of the VE is to find the areas where it's sensitive to changes.

One more thing I like to point out for those considering running 12.5 mm and higher cams, be aware there will be stock retainer to valve stem seal interference. I've measured it and it's .480"-.490"/12.1-12.4 mm.

If anyone has a Supertech or BC retainer, you can ship it to me and I will measure it and share the results with the forum.
2010-02-03 21:51:07
#59
Originally Posted by cory
N1 cams, bc springs, stock rets, custom IM and header with machined sr16 pistons. Peak power @ 8.5k I rev it to as high as 9.2k w calum realtime and safc adj fuel after 8k


^How long have you been running the custom intake manifold? You seem to be the perfect candidate for the 184-C's. I just need to know about the extra work that needs to be done to the cams I keep hearing about and the new vs old profile.
2010-02-03 22:31:02
#60
Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DET
^How long have you been running the custom intake manifold? You seem to be the perfect candidate for the 184-C's. I just need to know about the extra work that needs to be done to the cams I keep hearing about and the new vs old profile.


I've been running this manifold for a couple years..
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