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2011-05-03 22:49:42
#11
Yes thats correct for the big jump in timing. Your going from the idle timing table to the regular timing table.

I've never ran into this problem with both my cars. Timing at idle via datascan is always stable (not in base timing mode)

Now with my experience checking timing at the distributor with a timing light has always been stable but always shows 5 deg lower timing when not in timing mode. When put into timing mode it jumps 5 degs showing the correct base timing.

lol wierd.. just my thoughts
2011-05-04 11:43:03
#12
Originally Posted by Haulin200sx
Yes thats correct for the big jump in timing. Your going from the idle timing table to the regular timing table.

I've never ran into this problem with both my cars. Timing at idle via datascan is always stable (not in base timing mode)

Now with my experience checking timing at the distributor with a timing light has always been stable but always shows 5 deg lower timing when not in timing mode. When put into timing mode it jumps 5 degs showing the correct base timing.

lol wierd.. just my thoughts


If your idle is always high or low then it would max out the RPM idle delta trims and would show a constant value for the timing.

If you are hovering right around your target idle value then you will get some pretty good swings in timing to try to keep it right at your target.
2011-05-04 21:57:50
#13
I keep my idle a bit high, around 900rpms.

Now my idle rpm table is 800rpm at full operating temp. Which is failry close.
I have lots of experience with the actual nissan consult (I used to work at the dealer) and it has always showed a stable timing reading while idling?
2011-10-04 17:04:36
#14
hello, in my case, when accelerating fast, I see that the time drops to zero and then reaches about 20 degrees ..... and while in idael. time varies from 7 to 9 degrees.

my car Nissan NX2000 1992

this is normal?, because I feel the car very slow, no power
2011-10-05 15:17:59
#15
Originally Posted by mak_paint
hello, in my case, when accelerating fast, I see that the time drops to zero and then reaches about 20 degrees ..... and while in idael. time varies from 7 to 9 degrees.

my car Nissan NX2000 1992

this is normal?, because I feel the car very slow, no power


This doesn't sound normal. You should be bouncing around 15* BTDC at idle until you put it in "Set Timing Mode." Then it should be solid at 15*. What ECU and bin file are you running?
2011-10-05 17:35:53
#16
Originally Posted by billc
This doesn't sound normal. You should be bouncing around 15* BTDC at idle until you put it in "Set Timing Mode." Then it should be solid at 15*. What ECU and bin file are you running?


hi, is the stock ECU, unmodified.
when accelerating gently, without charge, the ignition timing reaches 32 degrees, but accelerated quick, ignition time drops to zero and then rises to 23 or 26 degrees,
At idle, the time is physically 15 degrees but in Datascan screen, is kept in jumping from 7 to 9 degrees...

my question is, if it is normal to fall to zero when rapid acceleration?
excuse my English, I'm from Venezuela, and thank you very much to everyone for your help
2011-10-05 17:36:19
#17
hi, is the stock ECU, unmodified.
when accelerating gently, without charge, the ignition timing reaches 32 degrees, but accelerated quick, ignition time drops to zero and then rises to 23 or 26 degrees,
At idle, the time is physically 15 degrees but in Datascan screen, is kept in jumping from 7 to 9 degrees...

my question is, if it is normal to fall to zero when rapid acceleration?
excuse my English, I'm from Venezuela, and thank you very much to everyone for your help
2011-10-05 17:38:00
#18
Originally Posted by Cozzm0_AU
The distributor position is ASSUMED by the ECU to be at 15deg. The timing you're seeing reported by consult is the ignition timing advance output by the ECU, not the timing being read from the crankshaft.

If you set the dizzy in base idle mode to display 20deg BTDC on the crank pulley, it will still only show 15deg in Datascan. Timing is like fuel pressure. The ECU ASSUMES you have correct fuel pressure, but if you don't, it will be unaware of it, just like advancing the timing.

I think for one, that your idle is a bit too low, and its falling out of the area that the ECU sees as being the normal idle area and the rpm is jumping around a lot so the ECU is trying to compensate by altering the timing to hit the target idle speed (its faster for the ECU to adjust the timing to raise/lower the rpm at idle than for it to adjust the AAC). Maybe the USDM stuff is set to idle lower, i'm not sure there as i have only played with JDM & AUDM ECUs & maps.

Light throttle application like you showed will give high timing readings because the load is low/none and is like to do with the map (even stock isn't smooth at zero load, there is a big jump). If you drive and rev the car slowly on low load to 5krpm, you might see 30-32deg timing until you add load when it will drop down a lot.

Question ...

What is your AAC valve value (will be something between 10 and 95) at warm idle (i.e when you took that video?).


hello, in my case, when accelerating fast, I see that the time drops to zero and then reaches about 20 degrees ..... and while in idael. time varies from 7 to 9 degrees.

my car Nissan NX2000 1992

this is normal?, because I feel the car very slow, no power
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