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2009-01-17 05:40:02
#11
Originally Posted by swiss
Minimum post counts just lead to 100s of meaningless posts. What about a time restriction, like 60 days? Even better, a time restriction then a mod has to enable them. If somebody requests classified privileges after 60 days with no posts, it's pretty obvious they're just here to turn a buck.


A few comments,

I know several people who browse the forums all the time and have built very nice SE-Rs, but don't have accounts, or if they do, they may have only one or two posts. So I don't think your above statement really holds true. I think the large majority of people who anonymously or infrequently post to the forums, are good honest people.

Having to have mods enable accounts is waaaaay to much work. No one gets paid here, and no one wants a 2nd job. Honestly I feel lucky that the mods help out and do as good of a job as they do already.

In my opinion, nothing is more frustrating then signing up for a forum, and not being able to post. I totally agree, that 75% of the people who sign up and immediately post, ask a question that has been answered 100's of times already. But, being on the other side of the coin, when I sign up to post a question, it's generally because I searched the hell out of the forum already and couldn't find an answer (its always quicker to search for your answer then to post and wait for a reply), and its frustrating to be stuck in a 7+ day probation period where you cannot post. Generally I leave and find another forum.

And as far as people coming here just to sell things, given they post in the appropriate forsale section and are honest people, I don't see the problem with that. I'd rather go checkout the classifieds and see lots of cool things forsale, then only just a handful.

All that being said, I'm not totally against the idea of some kind of waiting period, I just think it needs to be reasonable, and painless.

--Edit--
Wow, I'm tired. We're talking about not allowing people to post in the classifieds, not limiting them from posting elsewhere on the forum. Half of my disagreement above is mute lol.

What about a 5 day waiting period to post things for sale? Too short?
2009-01-17 05:58:19
#12
I'd suggest 2 weeks. If you're here for the long term, it's not that long at all. If you're looking for a quick buck, it's forever.
2009-01-17 06:49:50
#13
Even a month seems a bit harsh, two weeks or 50 posts, or if they have say at least one iTrader rating for buying something.
2009-01-17 15:37:52
#14
I'd say 5 posts anywhere besides off topic and at least 5 days as a member.
2009-01-17 16:10:05
#15
i say 10 post outside of off topic with at least 5 days
2009-01-17 16:28:15
#16
Agree with 10 posts and 5 days.

Most forums I am a part of are like this, when it comes to classifieds.
2009-01-17 18:05:32
#17
I still wish there was a way to work the iTrader to incorporate what was earned on the "other" forum. I have a 36 there and a 6 here, even though I'd trust buying something here more because I think this is where 90% of the best of the old forum moved.

Anyway, moving on. On my local forum, we have a special section for the "hardcore" members and OG types. Guys that have a good rep around town and have more than a few grand into their cars, to weed out the thieves and kids in their mom's hot rod hand-me-down civics. I guess that's our supporter's section?

Crap, another rant.
I'm a fan of 2 weeks for posting sales, free reign to post in wanted ads (helps current members) or minimum of 25 posts, whichever comes first. it sounds harsh, but when people can just post anything right away, it gives way to scammers and unmotivated sellers.
2009-01-18 04:30:23
#18
bump
2009-01-18 04:37:26
#19
Originally Posted by Crim
I dunno anyone else want to chime in on how they feel about it. I think 100 posts is a bit too many myself.


selling rules on the mazdaforum i am on.
* Buy/Sell forums located on FMVp sites are for personal property only.

* No commercial postings will be allowed, and such messages will be removed.

*No raffles are permitted. Such postings will be removed.

*You may not, under any condition, sell an item that you do not have physical possession of. This means it is at your home or place of business and easily accessible to you at any time. You can not sell something prior to receiving it.

* You are required to post a picture of the ACTUAL item, with the start of the thread, not after. Stock manufacturers/retailers photo's may be posted only to supplement a photo of your item, not in place of a photo of the actual item. If you do not have a digital camera of any type, your options are to borrow a friends or to take film pictures and either scan them yourself or have the photo store put them on a photo CD. All members are accorded space in our gallery, so hosting should not be an issue. You can also use a different website to host your pics such as 1 - VALUE DOMAIN:???????? or TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting. Please note that FMVp does not have actual knowledge of the policies or service levels of these sites, and makes no actual endorsement of them.

* Member Requirements. A new rule is in effect to restrict the chance that a seller simply creates an account to advertise an item. The following rules will be in effect for any person wanting to list an item for sale or for trade.
1. The member has at least 50 posts ( you will have an user icon that has at least two "swirly" things: )
2. Your username must have at least 24 hours of time spent online. You can check your time spent online via the user info box at the top of the screen, or by viewing your user profile and choosing Show Stats.
OR
3. Your account is place in a group represented by an assigned forum icon that reads: sponsor, regional coordinator, contributing member, or senior member. Forged icons will result in a suspension of the offending user account.

*Bumping of threads in the classified section(M3F Buy/Sell , General Buy/Sell) is against forum rules. Do not bump your own for sale thread or it can and will be removed.

* Any member or guest of M3F can make offers or contact sellers.

* Proxy selling: User may not have another user sell an item for them because they do not meet the requirements to sell and item, unless that item is in possession of the person selling it on the forum.

*No Linking to other websites that act as a proxy for sale within the first 5 days of listing. Members wishing to list an item for sale cannot simply provide a link to a website that acts as a proxy or agent of sale. This means you cannot link to a website such as Ebay, Amazon Marketplace, AutoTrader, etc. However, you can link to a webpage describing the product or to product specification pages. Also, you are not allowed to simply link to another web forum that describes the item for sale. We prefer that you duplicate your post in this forum rather than linking to an outside forum. This rule is in effect to provide the forum members here an opportunity to see your item rather than to use this forum as an advertisement for personal auctions or to redirect attention towards public product sales. However, if an item receives no response within 5 days of listing on Mazda3forums.com (the day of the listing is inclusive), a link to an external agent site will be acceptable.

* Strict rules concerning sellers and buyers and the transaction. Basically, it's either a "good" transaction or it's a "bad" transaction. If you're selling something - and the buyer has reason to suspect that you're being shady - then the seller will be banned once enough evidence to suggest the seller is being dodgy, lazy, incomplete, or apathetic on providing what is advertised. If the seller truly has a significant reason to explain the circumstance, and the situation is resolved - then the seller is still "good" since diligence and effort make all the difference in a transaction.

* Same applies to buyers. If a seller finds out that a buyer renegs payment or other weird things with no explanation - the buyer will be banned once evidence supports that the buyer is sketchy. These strict rules are in place because this forum won't be used as some metric to see how trustworthy you are. You start with credibility - and if that credibility is shot due to abuse of trust, then the abuser gets banned.

* If you make a transaction a "bad" experience and make little or no effort to resolve the issue (or it's obvious you ripped someone off) - then you get banned.

* There is a rating system on FMVp sites, and it is recommended that all sellers and buyers be aware of it and use it. However, actual use, though recommended, is completely voluntary.

* Mitigating disruptions in Buy/Sell threads. (June/12/2006)
Often times, there are certain types of posts that disrupt the course of a buy/sell thread. This rule will address this issue.
Forum members will not be restricted from informing people regarding retail prices of your product, so long as the comparison product price that is mentioned is sold by a forum sponsor. Additionally, users must avoid intentionally passing judgement regarding the degree of savings of the buy/sell thread. However, Forum members may not intentionally speak negatively of a product with their opinions. These rules are in place to allow forum members to reasonably communicate their thoughts about a sale, while also protecting sellers from perceived "thread crapping" that could de-rail a reasonable sale.
Moderators reserve the right to remove any post that they feel violates this rule. The Buy/Sell section requires policies that are much more strict than those of the rest of the forum.
An example regarding pricing posts: If you are selling an Injen cold air intake and are asking a price is $300, it will be acceptable for a forum member to indicate that your asking price is the same as the full retail price that Injen offers as the MSRP of the intake. This is because the Injen cold air intake is sold by various sponsors of Mazda3forums. However, a member who sold an Injen intake 1 month prior for $100 via eBay cannot post a link to their previous eBay auction showing the $100 sale. If the buy/sell thread's asking price is simply $5 less than what is currently available from a sponsor, users must refrain from intentionally stating that the $5 savings is insufficient or "lame." Haggling is fine, purposley bagging the seller's reputation or attacking an offered price is not okay.
Regarding the restriction of negative comments and thread crapping: If a seller posts an Injen intake, forum members will not enter the particular buy/sell thread to speak negatively of Injen's products. They cannot post about their opinions that AEM makes a superior product than Injen. Discussion regarding the benefits of one particular brand or product must be done in the general forums, and not explicitly within the Buy/Sell area.

* Thread Titles (May 31, 2004). Please use one of the following on each thread posts:
FS (For Sale)
WTB (Want to Buy)
WTT (Want to Trade)

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* Companies or individuals acting for profit or in a manner not consistant with selling off personal merchandise, deemed to be intentionally evading sponsorship duties may be subject to a fine not less than $250 and not more than $3,000 (plus reasonable lawyers fees) equal to not more than the TOTAL MARKET VALUE of all items sold to members or visitors of FMVp sites.

* FMVperformance.com is not responsible for the sellers and their products listed on FMVperformance.com sites

* FMVperformance.com reserves the right to contact seller and purchaser at any time for any reason and by any manner.

* While FMVperformance.com can not ensure, guarantee, the validity of sellers claims in any manner, sellers are responsible for the completion of all deals made through FMVperformance.com sites.

* Should a properly agreed to deal not be completed within a reasonable time frame and the seller can reasonably be considered at fault, FMVperformance.com reserves the right to take action. Such action may include but is not limited to a fine in the amount of the total market value of the item or items which have been withheld from their rightful purchaser, plus reasonable legal fees, plus the proper transferral of the item to the purchaser. FMVp is not required to take such action.

* FMVperformance.com reserves the right to record and save the IP and all other information of all sellers and purchasers and may contact ISP's at any time and for any reason.
All involved parties agree that necessary legal remedy shall be sought in the State of Connecticut, if such legal remedy involves FMVp, and this web page / document shall be enforceable, subject to the laws of the State of Connecticut.

* Should necessary legal remedies not involve FMVp, they may be sought subject to the jurisdiction and laws of the Buyer or the Seller.

Please remember this site is not an auction house. When selling an item please set a price on that item, so others know what to expect when going to purchase this item.




i think it is a great idea. with atleast 50 posts outside of off topic and no buying or selling before this will at least allow people to search their posts to get a rough idea of the type of person they are.


another thing they do is everyone needs a picture of every part with a paper and their user name and the forum name hand written on the paper....then the paper is placed next to the parts and a pic is taken....doing this shows they have the exact part in question and if you get anything else other than what is pictured you can take action.
2009-01-18 04:46:30
#20
Originally Posted by Vadim
Even a month seems a bit harsh,


i dont agree. because if someone really wants to sell something or buy something and they see a person looking for their part they can always deal via PM.........however 20+ posts gets their foot in the door to being an actuall usefull MEMBER.........i could get 5 posts in 2 minutes under a new name and no one would notice then sell some fake crap then disappear. try to post whore 20 times with a new name and stay on the down low not gona happen. we all know whats up here and are pretty good sensing BS, but we need at least alittle back ground. and with b13's and FWD sr20's becoming more and more popular so is stealing them.......who better to sell stolen parts to than cheap ass b13 owners?

do you really want to buy something from a dude with 5 posts for someone to contact you in a few months saying "thats my turbo and it was stolen, i have tryed to find the seller but he does not exist.............i want it back"
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