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2010-10-25 15:17:49
#1
Another weird transmision problem
So I was driving last night in 5th gear and coming up to a light.When I wen to downshift to 4th,it wont even try to go.No grinding,just like there was something blocking it from even trying..
I tried all the gears and same thing.I coasted off the road,and sat there at idle,trying to figure out whats up.
The clutch feels the same as normal,and there are no noises.I kept trying to put the car in gear and wont go.
If I try reverse it would try to grind.
So I shut the car off,it will go into all the gears no problem,feels normal.
So I tied to "bump" the key with it in first gear,thinking if it was a clutch problem,the car would try to move forward when I crank it...wrong....the car started and I let the clutch out slowly and it seemed to be normal.

So I push in the clutch again(still running) and go to all the gears and reverse a couple times and all seems well.
I was in the middle of nowhere and about 20 miles fom home,so I decided to try to drive it since everything seemed to be normal again.
I drove all the way home with no issue whatsoever,and was really concerned.

Now when I got to my driveway,put it i reverse and backed in.
ent to go from revers to first to shu the car off,and it locked up again,not letting me go to any gears like before
So I turned the car off again,and then I could put it in any gear no problem.Started the car again,and it seemed ok for a couple shifts sitting there,but then started getting hard to put in gear again.

At this point it was late and I was glad to make it home ,so I just shut it off and had a mini tantrum for a second,realizing I will be pulling the tranny again

-All my mounts,linkages are good,etc.
Looking for input on this...I am thinking there is a pressure plate problem,or maybe a spring ppped out of the disc ???
I am hoping it is only a clutch problem,not a trans problem.

Ironic thing is that its a Zoom stage 1 clutch in there,and I saw these posts recently about them being crap.I was thinking how mine seemed fine,and low and behold a few days later,this happenned.

So what could cause an intermittent problem like this?
I would think if the PP or disc had a problem,it would have made some noise or the pedal would feel different,or something.Or it would fail and stay failed,not start working fine again,than fail again

Anybody care to share similar experiences??
What if I pull the clutch out and everyting looks good...then what?
2010-10-25 15:28:40
#2
The springs collapsed on my ACT disc.. It wouldn't let me select any gears with the engine running, but if I put it into 1st with the engine off, start it with clutch down, I could pull away as normal (obviously getting into the other gears by rev matching etc).
Sounds possibly like your problem?
Joe
2010-10-25 15:39:41
#3
Gonna be a clutch disk problem. If the issue only happens when the car is running then yeah. When you shut the car off the one time and restarted it and it was normal. The spring probably moved into a decent enough spot to allow that. But since it happened again. Yeah, disk problem, 100%.
2010-10-25 15:46:07
#4
Check that gear oil level before you take anything apart. Could be as simple as being real low on fluid. Do you have a leak?
Might get lucky...
2010-10-25 16:39:24
#5
Originally Posted by Shaggy_master
The springs collapsed on my ACT disc.. It wouldn't let me select any gears with the engine running, but if I put it into 1st with the engine off, start it with clutch down, I could pull away as normal (obviously getting into the other gears by rev matching etc).
Sounds possibly like your problem?
Joe

Very possible,I guess I have been driving for so long,rev matching is how I drive normally anyway.
Maybe thats why it seemed ok on the way home.


Originally Posted by ashtonsser
Gonna be a clutch disk problem. If the issue only happens when the car is running then yeah. When you shut the car off the one time and restarted it and it was normal. The spring probably moved into a decent enough spot to allow that. But since it happened again. Yeah, disk problem, 100%.


So,you mean a spring popped out and is getting lodged in there somewhere,stopping it from engaging/disengaging the clutch?

Originally Posted by BenFenner
Check that gear oil level before you take anything apart. Could be as simple as being real low on fluid. Do you have a leak?
Might get lucky...


Seems like I never get lucky
How low would it have to be to have issues like this?
It dont have any leaks,but it may be a little low.Probably has 3 quarts in it at least.
I swapped this tranny about 2000 miles ago,and reused the fluid that I drained out since it was still real fresh(lightweight shockproof).I never really checked it on flat ground after that since the last trans was full.
Its hard to get under there and keep the car level without a lift,and since it has been butter-smooth until last night,I wasn't worried.
I am sure the old tranny trapped some fluid,maybe a half a qurt?...so I would guess it has at least 3 quarts back in it.

I am definately gonna check that though,before pulling the trans...the problem is its sitting in the grass yard now,I am not sure if I will be able to drive it somewhere to get it on a lift or even into my garage for that matter
I guess I will try to get her moved an see whats up.
2010-10-25 16:41:15
#6
Yes, spring popped out. Or was halfway about to before then went back in allowing it to work properly for a bit then fully dislodged or is doing it again. Either way i can bet you the disk is done.
2010-10-25 16:49:50
#7
Originally Posted by ashtonsser
Yes, spring popped out. Or was halfway about to before then went back in allowing it to work properly for a bit then fully dislodged or is doing it again. Either way i can bet you the disk is done.


I did notice the springs seemed rattly and a little loose,and when it was in neutral with the clutch out running,you could hear them chatter.If you push the clutch in,the chatter would go way.
This is why I am thinking you may be right here.
Either way,that fawking trans has to come out ...again.
2010-10-25 17:03:27
#8
You would have to be around 1 quart of fluid to experience any sort of bad behavior. Sounds like it's gunna be the clutch. =/
2010-10-25 17:08:39
#9
Originally Posted by BenFenner
You would have to be around 1 quart of fluid to experience any sort of bad behavior. Sounds like it's gunna be the clutch. =/


No way its that low.

I just went out and started it.Seemed fine for a few minutes at idle.
I went through the gears a f times sitting there...then I started to hear a light rubing/grinding sound.I shut it off immediately to save more damage,but there is something NOT GOOD going on in there for sure.
Now,I just hope I can get it into the garage now to get it apart,or I will have to do it in the grass ...never fun
2010-10-25 17:20:18
#10
Originally Posted by eggman
No way its that low.

I just went out and started it.Seemed fine for a few minutes at idle.
I went through the gears a f times sitting there...then I started to hear a light rubing/grinding sound.I shut it off immediately to save more damage,but there is something NOT GOOD going on in there for sure.
Now,I just hope I can get it into the garage now to get it apart,or I will have to do it in the grass ...never fun


Unlucky dude just take it easy on it until you can replace the disc man.. As I kept driving mine (thinking it was the release bearing shot) and there was bits of the springs flying round inside and it sorta shot blasted/chipped all the inside of the bellhousing and even the engine block !!
Joe
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