Thanks for the info. I was trying to avoid having to buy the engine and then buy 5-600.00 worth of pistons again. Think I just burned #3 CP piston In my DE-T. So I'm looking to go 'VE. So without trying to be totally cheap ( I like to say budget build) I guess the det pistons would be an option huh? Also while I have your attention do I need the 'VE harness also?