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2011-02-15 17:35:20
#101
Big fan of this car.
2011-02-15 17:43:17
#102
Awesome.........
2011-02-15 18:00:37
#103
Originally Posted by Andreas
Boost has nothing to do with the effiecy range [of the turbo].
I beg to differ.

However after looking at the compressor map (I think it is the right one) I see you're already well past the best efficiency range, so I retracted my statement.

Originally Posted by Andreas
Also compression has nothing to do with the avergae WHP gain of a turbo as it goes up in boost.
Again, I will disagree. I'm not saying more would be better. 9.0:1 is a perfect choice. I'm just saying that as far as efficiency is concerned, if I'm comparing it to a setup I know well (9.5:1 compression and 13.9 WHP per psi from 0-11 psi or 27.5 WHP from vacuum-11 psi) you're down a little on compression so it would be a little harder to get the numbers all else being equal. If you disagree, that's fine. We don't need to get into it if you don't want.

Originally Posted by Andreas
The 2.2VE motor at 9-1 compression and ported head would make no more than 225-230 WHP NA. On boost we made 445 WHP at 10 PIS. This is 215 WHP more. That is an average of 21.5 WHP per every pound of boost from 1-10 PSI.
I didn't do that math. I wouldn't begin to guess what the engine would make N/A so I couldn't. Provided those numbers for N/A are close, you're doing much better than I even thought before. 21.5 WHP per psi from 0-10 psi is amazing, and even adjusted to the equivalent for a 2.0L engine (19.35 WHP per psi) those are amazing numbers. Maybe the best I've seen on an SR engine. Clearly the 20V head and your attention to detail/efficiency is showing its value here.

Originally Posted by Andreas
The average of 11 WHP fron 11-19 PSI has to do with air flow.
Sure. Lots of things getting in the way, although mainly it looks like you're headed off the efficiency of the compressor map at those power levels. The exhaust and intake will help for sure. I just think maybe you're main cause of efficiency loss is the compressor. Obviously much more expensive to address I know.

Originally Posted by Andreas
My main goal is making the system more efficient not going up on the boost.
An admirable goal for sure. It looks like it's working very well for you so far, and I like where you're going with the exhaust and the intake. I don't doubt you'll accomplish what you're after. I was just attempting to compare this setup to another efficient setup and give encouragement and praise.
Last edited by BenFenner on 2011-02-15 at 18-11-13.
2011-02-15 18:16:52
#104
Dre, in all what does a setup like this cost and I wonder how this would go in a 4WD application, say a GTiR with some ITB's to make the response even dare I say 'better'?
2011-02-15 18:17:13
#105
BenFenner dont just pick out small pcs and make statements on them. You do this and it changes the meaning of what is being said.
2011-02-15 18:20:28
#106
Originally Posted by TriniGT
Dre, in all what does a setup like this cost and I wonder how this would go in a 4WD application, say a GTiR with some ITB's to make the response even dare I say 'better'?



ITBs on a turbo setup like this is not going to make the response better.

If you want the best response for a specific setup get the smallest turbo that can satisfy your WHP gaols.

An AWD setup with a motor like this would be insain.
2011-02-15 19:31:54
#107
agreed, 4WD and this would be amazing, and tuning for efficiency is win in my book

but then why would nissan use throttle bodies on the gtir, gtr, if it doesnt increase response?

Steve
2011-02-15 20:25:12
#108
Like I said Godzilla will be released... My Pulsar will have a motor similiar to this soon.

Well as long as my block doesnt have a sleeve issue from Mazworx

like a couple others have had.



Chris
2011-02-15 22:32:34
#109
A setup like is crazy on an AWD car is crazy..

Here's my awd car on 20psi with a 6765..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v51CH7m8RZ4

Dyno numbers coming soon...
2011-02-15 22:37:06
#110
Originally Posted by Andreas

That being said, it has nothing to with the efficincy range of the turbo at this point, a turbo of this size would 100% make 13-15 WHP already at 20 PSI, so you are incorrect. Also compression has nothing to do with the avergae WHP gain of a turbo as it goes up in boost.


VE of the engine affects the flow rate of the turbo based on the pressure ratio and adiabatric efficiency. Without going much further into detail, I can tell you for certain that WHP/PSI will change based on the engines compression ratio, just as it does with different cams. Though cams increase flow and dynamic compression, rather than the thermal efficiency.
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