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2009-05-14 14:35:36
#11
Originally Posted by THE_FUGITIVE
Im gonna use the S14 GT28R and Tubular Manifold on my RWD VE-T to start with, It should be Fun to drive



way too small of a turbo. you will have instant boost but will run out of breath quick.
2009-05-14 15:01:30
#12
Originally Posted by BenFenner
Yah, I guess there are a lot of details to get right but it shouldn't be too hard to explain to people.

Are we talking about the same piece here? I'm talking about the oil pump drive collar. The piece that slides onto the crankshaft and has two sides cut out of it lengthwise, and a key way notch.
That's the piece I was talking about...

Now I'm in trouble. We are talking about the collar? Because I just put a VE oil pump on my DE and re-used the DE oil pump drive (collar) and everything looked to line up perfectly (so I assumed it would work the other way around).


I think we're talking about two different things.

Also, Ashton has put a GTi-R oil pump (and now a VE oil pump) on his FWD DET block and it all fit (with a modified Gspec spacer).

I have personally just finished putting a VE oil pump on a DE block using the DE oil pump drive collar and a modified Gspec spacer. The Gspec spacer, as far as I'm concerned, basically lengthens the DE (and non GTi-R DET) oil pump drive collar to the length of a VE oil pump drive collar (or GTi-R collar). This is why I said if you had a VE oil pump drive collar you should be okay without the spacer. You don't think it would work?


^Ben are you going to post pics of this in your thread? I plan on running a VE oil pump on my DE+T build. Also, what about the oil pickup tube that Tekkie mentioned?
2009-05-14 15:42:57
#13
Originally Posted by rob_96
so today my friend and I were taking apart the det motor to reseal the upper and lower oil pan and front cover and I thought I might try switching the ve upper and lower oil pans, ya no they don't work.

so I thought I just throw that out there, I learnt something new today

Question 1
but as I have both motors apart, does anyone know if a ve oil pump and front cover will work on a det I didn't get that far tonight. So before I take it all apart, to see.

I do plan to reseal it all this was the main purpose of taking it apart

Question 2
I want to wash the motor it's been flipped a few times on the stand and I worried that oil got in antifreeze holes in the block and vice versa, if I power wash it and let it dry good am I safe, cuz I don't want to pull the crank and rods and barring and send it out

Question 3
which high temp sealant orange or grey rvt
rob


This is what I know about the pumps. The GTiR and VE pump are very similar, but the VE pump has some improvements to the design to increase flow. The GTiR and VE both have the same spacer, and the pickup tubes are interchangeable as well. The GTiR crank pulley will work on any SR20, regardless of pump. It is designed to clear the bump in the GTiR pump and is therefore the best one to use as far as versatility.

The DE/det spacer/drive is smaller than the VE/GTiR one. You should not try and use this smaller drive because you can cause damage to the pump. If you want to make sure everything works then go with the larger spacer, regardless of what pulley you use. Keep in mind if you use the larger spacer on the DE/DET pulley it will cause the belt to be slightly mis-aligned. This alignment issue on most setups causes no problems, but on mine it caused the belt to fly off when I hit the rev limiter. Not good because that belt powers the water pump!

You can easily flush the engine while it is in the car. I would get a good rad flush and run it through with some water before you fill the coolant in order to get all the oil out of the coolant system.

I prefer to use permatex Ultra grey RTV. It looks good when it is put on, is good for 650*F, and is very very strong stuff. You could upgrade to the higher temp stuff, but like Miko said once, it will make your engine look not-so-good. You could even use the Copper RTV for a little more money, and it is good to rediculous temps. Just make sure you go easy on the RTV as too much will cause leaks, and always make sure it is fully cured before adding your fluids.

Good luck with the build!
2009-05-14 16:31:44
#14
Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DET
^Ben are you going to post pics of this in your thread?
Yes I will, but it will take a while for them to be posted.

Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DET
I plan on running a VE oil pump on my DE+T build.
Talk to me, Ashton, or Greg V. before you do that and we'll set you straight as far as what you need to do and buy.

Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DET
Also, what about the oil pickup tube that Tekkie mentioned?
Not sure what you're talking about. From what everyone's told me you need the VE pickup tube if you're going with a VE oil pump. I'm not sure why now that I've done it, but that's what I did.
The newer pickup tubes get better and better as the years go on so it's a good idea to go with the VE pickup tube anyway even if the DE pick-up tube would work (of which I'm not entirely sure one way or the other).

Here are the only pics I've posted so far about the VE oil pump install: http://www.sr20-forum.com/vvl/18213-sump-baffle-2.html#post238411
2009-05-14 16:46:48
#15
Originally Posted by BenFenner

Not sure what you're talking about. From what everyone's told me you need the VE pickup tube if you're going with a VE oil pump. I'm not sure why now that I've done it, but that's what I did.
The newer pickup tubes get better and better as the years go on so it's a good idea to go with the VE pickup tube anyway even if the DE pick-up tube would work (of which I'm not entirely sure one way or the other).

Here are the only pics I've posted so far about the VE oil pump install: http://www.sr20-forum.com/vvl/18213-sump-baffle-2.html#post238411


The GTiR and VE pickup tubes are physically larger to allow more flow.
2009-05-14 16:50:23
#16
Oh word, that explains it. So the DE tube would mount up (because it looked like it would), but the desired flow won't be there. Correct?
2009-05-14 17:01:27
#17
Correct. The inside diameter of the pickup tubes is different, but they should mount up all the same.
2009-05-14 18:03:38
#18
^Thanks for explaining. That's what I was looking to hear. VE pickup tube it is.
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