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2012-08-22 14:12:33
#41
Originally Posted by Shawn
Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DET
Originally Posted by coach
Squirlz - I have a 0 mile hypercoGen2/AGX setup with brand new strut mounts/boots/koni bump stops and hardware. If he is serious about having a car that handles well that would do it. But it won't get him low enough I think so I didn't even offer it up.

Brent


Hands down best B13 dollar for dollar setup you can get IMO. This is why I own two setups of this combo. Match this with a FSTB and a sway bar and this setup should cover about 75% of the people on this board.

Dollar for dollar you are quite possibly correct. That set-up of Brents is exactly what I had, including the Koni bumpstops (Progress rear sway). Worked quite well, street and my one track excursion, if a bit harsh. Although on "harsh" keep in mind that I am an old fart, YMMV.

IIRC, around $440 for the AGX's on a GB, Hypercoils were 325'ish shipped, and the Koni bumps were 60'ish (?). OEM boots, new thrust washers, Superpro (Whiteline) caster bushings, yada, yada. It took me 18-months from the Hypercoils purchase, with them sitting on my steps in my house, until I had enough money to assemble the rest of the suspension and get it all installed.

Still glad I waited and did it the best I could afford at the time.





I will add that the CSK/Hyperco set-up, while certainly more pricey, is vastly superior. No question about it, far more comfortable, a bit better planted.


I haven't ridden in a B13 with a CSK/Hyperco set-up I don't believe, unless it was one of Happynole's cars and I didn't realize what setup he had at the time. I want to feel the difference of the two.
Last edited by MR-4Door-SR20DET on 2012-08-22 at 14-13-50.
2012-08-22 14:25:28
#42
kaotekxe, if your avatar is your car, the feature in street tuner is what peaked my interest in b13s to begin with.

To everyone else with their heads up their asses, I paid 700 for this car in a pinch. A week or so later I pulled a few parts off if and noticed it had been in an accident and the frame rail in front of the drivers side strut tower was bent a little. I have a total of just under $2000 total into this car. That includes all the repairs when I first bought it and then boosting it. My next project is the suspension.

So I obviously think its worth spending twice as much on the best product I can buy to get the best handing out of a chassis that isnt even perfectly straight. Not really.

I agree with kaotekxe, i have driven in, riden in, etc mutliple cars with racelends. Several of my friends have vw and run racelands. I even know someone who had racelands in his impreza wagon. They arent a bad option.

Are they as fine tuned for each car as other options? No.

Do they cost half as much as the other options? Yes.

Also, I really don't appreciate the comments on the fact that I dont know what I'm do. I do. And that is why I've decided that an okay ride with stiffer springs for a decent price is enough for me. My car is low. I didn't trim the stop on the shock body to run the perches because it made maybe .25in of a difference and I was on a time constraint. I've been driving the car this way since November, even before I replaced the blown shocks. I am well aware of how horrible it rides, bump steer, etc.

Lowering a car doesnt always imply that the car cant handle. Bump steer only happens when you hit the bumpstop and there are a multitude of ways to avoid this, even when you are completely slammed.

Currently my tire tread is just starting to tuck into the fender. The car doesnt look retardedly slammed, and I can still drive it normally. Height wise it's right where I want it, I just want to get some suspension travel back.

As for the WRX coils, I was thinking about the weight differences and was thinking about going with a 98-2000 2.5rs set. Those cars weight around 2400-2500 iirc. Thats the difference of a passanger or two. And I was planning on measuring out a stock set of suspension and my own suspension before I order and "gamble on a $500 idea."

Honestly guys, you can talk my ear off about what set up would perform the best and how raceland doesnt do any r&d, and I know. I'm not an idiot, and I do know what I'm doing, however I've weighed my options, thought about it some more, and decided on what I, personally, me, not you, would like to do in my situation. Racelands would offer me the price I like, the ride that I had in mind, and still be stiff enough to handle the occational beat run. All while keeping suspension travel and the ride height I want. If a set of better coils pops up used before I order I would have no problem picking them up for $500.

Also, thank you for the typical warm "he must have no idea what he's doing because he's a noob" welcome. Much appreciated guys. I intended this thread to be a different option, not the end all be all of suspension. There is no wrong way to modify your car. Everyone does things differently. Everyone has different needs and ideas. My ideas hold no ill will towards anyone running expensive coilovers. So why does everyone else running a better thought out suspension set up seem to have an ill will on my ideas? I will continue this thread because I still think it would be a neat idea. I still think it'd be easier then shortened konis, cost the same as some agx and gc, and maybe even ride a little softer then agx's. If you dont agree, dont read. If I end up installing racelands and love the ride then I dont think I did it the wrong way.
2012-08-22 15:30:06
#43
Originally Posted by Mizzat508
Lowering a car doesnt always imply that the car cant handle. Bump steer only happens when you hit the bumpstop and there are a multitude of ways to avoid this, even when you are completely slammed.

No, bump steer happens every time our cars go over a bump. It's a toe change from suspension compression, and is derived from the geometry of the lower control arm, tie-rod position, etc. The more you lower our cars, the more unfavorable it is. To fix, you have to start thinking about control arm length, which isn't a cheap Chinese eBay modification like dime-a-dozen coilovers.

Hitting the bumpstops means you are a cheap donut of foam or rubber away from having infinite spring rates. With little suspension travel engineered into your suspension, running out of travel will happen, hopefully not in a panic or unexpected way.

A really, really low Sentra will not handle for $500 or even $1,000. It's a fundamental flaw of a car engineered to a price, and this community has been working for years to band-aid around it on even expensive setups. People here are talking from experience. Either take it as advice or an unwarm welcome, but we know exactly how this will turn out, regardless.
Last edited by JimR on 2012-08-22 at 15-30-56.
2012-08-22 15:35:40
#44
Originally Posted by Mizzat508
Bump steer only happens when you hit the bumpstop


That's not how bumpsteer works dude. JimR explained it while I was typing this.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
I was thinking about the weight differences and was thinking about going with a 98-2000 2.5rs set. Those cars weight around 2400-2500 iirc.


2.5 RS is more like 2850-2900. Also, raceland supplies the same spring rates for both chassis.
Last edited by MCarp22 on 2012-08-22 at 15-45-02.
2012-08-22 15:54:30
#45
Originally Posted by Mizzat508
kaotekxe, if your avatar is your car, the feature in street tuner is what peaked my interest in b13s to begin with.

To everyone else with their heads up their asses, I paid 700 for this car in a pinch. A week or so later I pulled a few parts off if and noticed it had been in an accident and the frame rail in front of the drivers side strut tower was bent a little. I have a total of just under $2000 total into this car. That includes all the repairs when I first bought it and then boosting it. My next project is the suspension.


Why are putting money into a car with a bent frame? For $2000 i could have found a shell, put a motor in it, and have a solid car.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508

So I obviously think its worth spending twice as much on the best product I can buy to get the best handing out of a chassis that isnt even perfectly straight. Not really.


We suggested a suspension that gives you what you want, and does it safely for the same price. No you are not stupid, you are ignorant, much worse.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508

I agree with kaotekxe, i have driven in, riden in, etc mutliple cars with racelends. Several of my friends have vw and run racelands. I even know someone who had racelands in his impreza wagon. They arent a bad option.

Are they as fine tuned for each car as other options? No.

Do they cost half as much as the other options? Yes.


You made up your mind before even posting this thread, you are not even taking in the information that is being given to you are that is on this forum. And you are going to modify one of the most important parts of your car, as far as safety is concerned, to install a product that is not designed or intended for your car. Sounds dangerous to me.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508

Also, I really don't appreciate the comments on the fact that I dont know what I'm do. I do. And that is why I've decided that an okay ride with stiffer springs for a decent price is enough for me. My car is low. I didn't trim the stop on the shock body to run the perches because it made maybe .25in of a difference and I was on a time constraint. I've been driving the car this way since November, even before I replaced the blown shocks. I am well aware of how horrible it rides, bump steer, etc.


Begin with learning how to type. Again, modifying something to fit where it is not designed when there are other options in your price range that are available tells me you do not know what you are doing.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508

Lowering a car doesnt always imply that the car cant handle. Bump steer only happens when you hit the bumpstop and there are a multitude of ways to avoid this, even when you are completely slammed.


Bump steer only happens when you hit a bump. Yes but when your car veers out of your lane thats not good. There are ways to avoid this, its called correcting the suspension geometry when lowering a car, something you are not even looking at doing, again, lack of experience.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508

Currently my tire tread is just starting to tuck into the fender. The car doesnt look retardedly slammed, and I can still drive it normally. Height wise it's right where I want it, I just want to get some suspension travel back.


Are your axles clicking yet? getting your travel back is a good idea, but better ways to do this.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508

As for the WRX coils, I was thinking about the weight differences and was thinking about going with a 98-2000 2.5rs set. Those cars weight around 2400-2500 iirc. Thats the difference of a passanger or two. And I was planning on measuring out a stock set of suspension and my own suspension before I order and "gamble on a $500 idea."


I hope you do, if this ends up working for you then great. Like i said before, your mind was made up a long time ago.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508

Honestly guys, you can talk my ear off about what set up would perform the best and how raceland doesnt do any r&d, and I know. I'm not an idiot, and I do know what I'm doing, however I've weighed my options, thought about it some more, and decided on what I, personally, me, not you, would like to do in my situation. Racelands would offer me the price I like, the ride that I had in mind, and still be stiff enough to handle the occational beat run. All while keeping suspension travel and the ride height I want. If a set of better coils pops up used before I order I would have no problem picking them up for $500.


As a last effort, there are options in your price range that are better, you are going to get what you pay for in the end.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508

Also, thank you for the typical warm "he must have no idea what he's doing because he's a noob" welcome. Much appreciated guys. I intended this thread to be a different option, not the end all be all of suspension. There is no wrong way to modify your car. Everyone does things differently. Everyone has different needs and ideas. My ideas hold no ill will towards anyone running expensive coilovers. So why does everyone else running a better thought out suspension set up seem to have an ill will on my ideas? I will continue this thread because I still think it would be a neat idea. I still think it'd be easier then shortened konis, cost the same as some agx and gc, and maybe even ride a little softer then agx's. If you dont agree, dont read. If I end up installing racelands and love the ride then I dont think I did it the wrong way.


You did no research on possible suspension options before making this thread. Modifying something to do it is not designed for can be dangerous, and can have ill effects on others.

Easier than shortened Konis? Not really, you just have your mind made up and not open to other ideas. You are cutting up your car and some new coilovers to make them fit. Or you can insert some Konis in your shock housings and bolt what you have back on. Get some decent top hats and call it a day. It will cost the same and be easier and no need to cut anything up.

I am all for trying new ideas and options, no getting down on you for that. If these were a direct bolt on then i would have no issues. If the spindle mounts are the same then get some new top hats and bolt them in, spring rates can be changed, and if dampening is adjustable you will be fine. Please think this through before you make any decisions.
2012-08-22 16:09:58
#46
Originally Posted by Mizzat508
So, has anyone ever thought about using the $460 racelands in place of $950 d2s or ksports? If I can save 500 bucks by redrilling the strut tower then why not? My car is not a track car, but i'd like a decent ride and something that'll keep up when I feel like hucking it side to side somewhere.

I was going to order coils in a few weeks anyways, so why not save myself some muns?

So am I crazy, or has anyone else done this/thought about it?

YOU just asked for feedback and opinions.

When YOU do that, start any thread on any forum, you get the feedback you get. You do NOT get to dictate the responses, that you fucking asked for in the first place.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
To everyone else with their heads up their asses,

Fuck you kiddo. Brilliant to insult the folks trying to help you.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
I paid 700 for this car in a pinch. A week or so later I pulled a few parts off if and noticed it had been in an accident and the frame rail in front of the drivers side strut tower was bent a little. I have a total of just under $2000 total into this car. That includes all the repairs when I first bought it and then boosting it. My next project is the suspension.

So I obviously think its worth spending twice as much on the best product I can buy to get the best handing out of a chassis that isnt even perfectly straight. Not really.

You never mentioned a bent chassis, nor your exact budget. Not one fucking time.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
I agree with kaotekxe, i have driven in, riden in, etc mutliple cars with racelends. Several of my friends have vw and run racelands. I even know someone who had racelands in his impreza wagon. They arent a bad option.

Are they as fine tuned for each car as other options? No.

Do they cost half as much as the other options? Yes.

If your mind is made up, and was before you started this thread, then why did you start it in the first place? To see if we would all be "gung-ho" on your ridiculous idea to waste your money? To see if we would all praise your "innovative and trail-blazing" idea to use the wrong parts on your chassis?

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
Also, I really don't appreciate the comments on the fact that I dont know what I'm doing. I do.

Lowering a car doesnt always imply that the car cant handle.

Bump steer only happens when you hit the bumpstop and there are a multitude of ways to avoid this, even when you are completely slammed.

You do not know what you are doing. You don't even know what bump-steer means.

In the case of a B13, yes lowering the car beyond 1.5 inches does in fact mean, with a certainty and for a fact, that the car cannot and will not handle worth a damn. Unless you start re-engineering the rest of the suspension pick-up points, lower control arms, etc.... Which you have NOT done, nor will do on your uber-cheapo-budget and with your minimum understanding of the B13 chassis.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
Currently my tire tread is just starting to tuck into the fender. The car doesnt look retardedly slammed, and I can still drive it normally. Height wise it's right where I want it, I just want to get some suspension travel back.

Do you even have a clue what the factory OEM suspension travel happens to be?

Because right now, you have about zero to one (1) inch of suspension travel Brainiac.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
As for the WRX coils, I was thinking about the weight differences and was thinking about going with a 98-2000 2.5rs set. Those cars weight around 2400-2500 iirc. Thats the difference of a passanger or two. And I was planning on measuring out a stock set of suspension and my own suspension before I order and "gamble on a $500 idea."

You are indeed gambling on a $500 dollar untested and ill-advised idea.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
Honestly guys, you can talk my ear off about what set up would perform the best and how raceland doesnt do any r&d, and I know. I'm not an idiot, and I do know what I'm doing, however I've weighed my options, thought about it some more, and decided on what I, personally, me, not you, would like to do in my situation. Racelands would offer me the price I like, the ride that I had in mind, and still be stiff enough to handle the occational beat run. All while keeping suspension travel and the ride height I want.

Then why the fuck did you start this thread? Are you stupid, trolling, or both?!?

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
Also, thank you for the typical warm "he must have no idea what he's doing because he's a noob" welcome. Much appreciated guys. I intended this thread to be a different option, not the end all be all of suspension.

You're welcome noob.

"Different Option"?!? Awesome, and we are inclined and obligated to point out the absurdity of your lame-brained idea so that others are not swayed to follow in your foolish and pig-headed footsteps.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
There is no wrong way to modify your car.

Yes, there is definitely wrong ways to modify a vehicle. Plenty of them.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
Everyone does things differently. Everyone has different needs and ideas. My ideas hold no ill will towards anyone running expensive coilovers. So why does everyone else running a better thought out suspension set up seem to have an ill will on my ideas? I will continue this thread because I still think it would be a neat idea. I still think it'd be easier then shortened konis, cost the same as some agx and gc, and maybe even ride a little softer then agx's.

Everyone is (was, past tense) trying to help you out and point you in the right direction.

Remember, YOU asked for input the minute you started this cluster-fuck of a stupid thread about your brilliant new engineering idea on the B13 suspension. And a whole bunch of very, very smart guys (coach, Squirlz, McCarp, JimR, etc...) are trying to HELP you. You ungrateful, obnoxious, stupid, mule-headed, jackass.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
If you dont agree, dont read.

NO. That is not how a forum works Cupcake-Noob. Get a fucking clue.

IF you don't like the answers and opinions presented, then DO NOT FUCKING START A THREAD and ask for fucking feedback and opinions.

Originally Posted by Mizzat508
If I end up installing racelands and love the ride then I dont think I did it the wrong way.

More power to you noob. Rock out with your...sock out.

Do it any-gawd-damned way you want.

But DO NOT bitch, whine, cry, moan and disrespect those trying to HELP YOU, because you did not get the kumba-ya, circle-jerk, way-to-go Champ, answers you expected or wanted.

Shawn B
Last edited by Shawn B on 2012-08-22 at 16-30-59.
2012-08-22 16:23:54
#47
I think I understand where he is coming from now. Shit car = shit parts. I mean since it's only a $700 car you don't need to spend more than the car is worth even if was wrecked. Well I bet if it wasn't it would still mean u don't buy parts that cost more than the car since it is just a Sentra.
2012-08-22 18:04:46
#48
Yea thats my car but i have thousands into my suspension. Nothin cheap, i love the gokart feel it has. Id tell you to save and do it right the first time but you gotta start somewhere.
Last edited by kaotekxe on 2012-08-22 at 18-07-32.
2012-08-22 19:51:03
#49
Originally Posted by kaotekxe
Yea thats my car but i have thousands into my suspension. Nothin cheap, i love the gokart feel it has. Id tell you to save and do it right the first time but you gotta start somewhere.

IIRC, you did engineer your suspension correctly. Like pretty much everything you do. And while you and I do not agree on aesthetics, I can certainly respect the attention to detail and painstaking process by which you built and engineered your ride.

I mentioned it earlier, 18-months to purchase my first B13 suspension.



FWIW. Here's how to properly go low in a B13.

http://www.sr20-forum.com/suspension/45967-calling-b13s-low.html

http://www.sr20-forum.com/suspension/52765-those-want-go-low-how-i-extended-my-front-control-arms.html
2012-08-23 01:29:31
#50
Originally Posted by Shawn


Rock out with your...sock out.

Shawn B



^^^ Bumper sticker material right there...
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